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[Get Real!]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

We have trained you well to walk around with eggs on your face and still keep a smile, so give credit where credit is due!

[denizaksulu]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

That reminds me of the saying,' "yüzüne tükürseler, Allaha şükreder gökden yağmur yağar sanırsın"/ (If someone spat in your face, you would thank god for the rain)

I hope I aint pushing my luck here!!

[Kikapu]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

That's true with all WHORES.!

[YFred]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

That reminds me of the saying,' "yüzüne tükürseler, Allaha şükreder gökden yağmur yağar sanırsın"/ (If someone spat in your face, you would thank god for the rain)

I hope I aint pushing my luck here!!

I am a very hopefull person. You hit the nail on the head with that one, why oh why did you not hit kikapoo's head instead, so you could have done us all a favour.

[YFred]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

That's true with all WHORES.!

What is it with you and whores, I suspect you have some inner dark secrets. Rent boy comes to mind, but I thing you should consult an analyst. You'll have to pay for your treatment. As you said, nothing is free in this world.

[denizaksulu]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

That reminds me of the saying,' "yüzüne tükürseler, Allaha şükreder gökden yağmur yağar sanırsın"/ (If someone spat in your face, you would thank god for the rain)

I hope I aint pushing my luck here!!

I am a very hopefull person. You hit the nail on the head with that one, why oh why did you not hit kikapoo's head instead, so you could have done us all a favour.

You like putting me on the spot here. Like you he is a friend. I normally pat friends on the back. So please do not ask me to commit violence.

[BirKibrisli]

If we applaud Bananiot for criticising his own side,we cannot turn around and criticise Kikapu for doing the same...They both have the right to their opinions and the right to speak them openly and freely...We don't have to agree with them,and we have the right to shoot them down for it,hopefully with intelligent and sensible discussion...

The problem is that it hurts more when critsicm is coming from your own side. That is why the TCs are very hard on Kikapu and the GCs on Bananiot...It is true that we need more Kikapus and Bananiots in this forum...That would indicate that more and more people are managing to see the "other" side's perspective...

Having said all that, I think Banainot has more credibility than Kikapu simply because he does criticise the TCs as well when the ocassion arises...I could be wrong,and would be delighted to be proven wrong,but I cannot remember Kikapu ever criticising or disagreeing with any GC on this forum...And I have not seen Kikapu ever defending and TC even when they are unfairly attacked...for example,when certain individuals keep going on the TCs being the Ottoman remnants,or guilty of the deeds of the Ottomans going back to 1571,or leaving their homes voluntarily to aid Turkey's expansionist Taksim policy during 1963-74,Kikapu remains silent...What he doesnt consider is that silence for most people indicate agreement...Yet it is not possible for a sensible,intelligent person and a TC, to agree that all TCs are thieves,cockroaches,traitors to their country,and hell bent on helping Turkey to achive her imaginary expansionist ambitions...It is not possible for any sensible person to believe that the TCs were wrong in opposing ENOSIS when they did,and the way they did it,which was the only realistic option they had...Yet when all these accusations are thrown at us,Kikapu will insist on keeping silent...
That I think is what is puzzling most TCs here,including myself,who did my share of criticising my own side in the past...The excuse that "I moved on,and now only consider the future" does not wash with me...Kikapu must have his own personal reasons for doing what he does...It is upto him to tell us what those reasons are ,if he so choses...If not we have to respect his decision and his right to conduct himself the way he sees fit...We do not have the right to speculate as to what those reasons might be...We have every right to attack his arguments but not his person...

Hi Bir,

Actually, you will find I have hell of a lot more posts making criticism of the GC's past events than Bananiot will ever have against the TCs. If you can access my first 6 months posts here on the forum, you will see what I'm talking about, therefore my credibility is intact.!

Spending endless hours of going back and forth on the same topics is the reason why I do not get into conversation about the past anymore. I have no hidden agendas, only I don't want to waste time by going around in circles. If you enjoy such "merry-go-round", then have fun. You yourself have only recently joined this "merry-go-around", so tell me Bir, how you managed to sort anything out with the GCs yet.?? Has the past events changed.? I don't think so, so while you are debating about the past and I choose not to get involved in it anymore, but does not mean I agree with what happened in the past to be correct or justifiable. I do not need to challenge every statement made by the GCs members here on the forum in order for me to remain credible. Lets not "throw the baby out with the bath water", or else it would become the case of labelling anyone "guilty" for choosing not to engage in the same topic over and over again. I wish you luck if you want to do so yourself, which is your provocative, but please allow me the same courtesy for not getting involved in the same "merry-go-around" conversation of the past.

For me, the future is what is important. When I pick on the NeoPartitionists and contradict their stance for wanting partition, is only because that is what they want to do, is to partition the island. Would you expect me to go along with them.?? This is at present time reality. This is where we are. Going back to past history is not going to change anything. That's why it is called history. It has already happened, but the permanent partition of Cyprus has not happened yet. This is something we can all do something about to alter the course of the future. This is what I'm interested in. This is what I argue for.


In any case, here is my very first post on the forum. You decide if I never argued against the GCs or against Piratis, since he is the most outspoken in reminding us of the past. You will some posts made by yourself also in the thread below. Take a look in what you said at the time.

Piratis & company are stuck in year 1571

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:55 pm

I have been reading most of the post by Piratis for the last month or so, specially regarding the "Cyprus problem", and most of the time, he defends the actions taken by the Greeks against his fellow citizens ( Turks ), because of what had happend 400 years ago. Well, no wonder there won't be any settlement on the Island and will remain divided way beyond our life time. If grudges can be kept for that long for the claimed deaths of 20,000 in Nicosia back in 1571, then I expect, it will take another 130 years from 1974 for the deaths of claimed 6,000 lives. I have no idea how long the Turks grudges will last for the deaths they have suffered in the hands from their trusted fellow citizens (Greeks ).

Piratis likes to point out that the whole problem was just a " intercommunual disagreements" and it should be left to them to work it out. So then, why was it not worked out between 1963 to 1974 when the majority could have made "wrongs done" corrected. It actually goes back to 1960, when the ink wasn't dry yet on the signed agreements between the parties to make Cyprus an independent country, when the plans were being formed to slowly but surely do away with the minority citizens. Not necessarily kill them all, but exile most, otherwise I would not be here to write this, since I was one of the 700 citizens taken at gun point in Nicosia ( Kücük Kaymakli ) to a detention center at some University building and kept there for a week in 1963 at age 8 years old. We were lucky to be captured by Greek soldiers that chose not to do us harm to about 30 people hiding in one room. Not so lucky were the family not far from us who were gunned down in their bath tub.

Perhaps had ( Turks ) they known the grudges of 1571 were still alive and well, they would have not fallen victims to their fellow citizens ( Greeks ). We can all scratch our heads for solutions and what ifs, but too much blood have been spilt over dirt and national pride. Lets hope future generations do not follow Piratis & company's foot steps.

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Hi Kikapu,
I hope you didn't get me wrong. I didn't mean to say you have little credibility,I meant to say you both had a lot of credibility (this was implied because I was comparing you to Bananiot!) but ,for me,Bananiot's was more...When Bananiot posts anything you know it is coming from a GC,even if you have never read one single post of his before...When you post,these days,people assume you are a GC...Your arguments are exactly the same as some of the fanatical GC arguments,while I cannot think of one Bananiot post that can be confused with a fanatical TC post...

That is my opinion anyway,and I will not dwell on it...You are not in this forum to please me...The problem with not revisiting the past is simple...We cannot possibly reunite Cyprus until we come to terms with what happened in the past...Till we realise that there are a lot of mistrust and bitterness between the communities,and this will not simply go away by wishing it...We need to objectively and dispassionately analyse the past,learn the lessons,and start building bridges...Like when you have a serious medical condition,and the doctor is not at all interested in your past medical history,or even in a proper diagnosis...He tells you there is a miracle cure now and whatever the problem if you apply this new miracle cure all will be well...Your miracle cure is Democracy,human rights and the EU principles,but the patient will not take that pill till you convince him you know what he suffers from,really understand his condition, and he can trust you with his life...Saying trust me,swallow this pill,it is the best thing available will not do it...Anyway I am sure you know what I am talking about...You have chosen to join the chorus line of GCs urging the TCs to swallow a pill they are not convinced is good for them...So what is the point of insisting? That is the "merry-go-round" the dead end,the impossible dream...And the longer you refuse to look at the past the more the status quo will continue to turn into the permanent solution...That solution is Partition,and you can also be accused now of being a neo-Partitionist,because your present stand will lead only to Partition...Sorry,but that is how I see it...

[YFred]

I think they realise by now that they cannot offend me, the only person that can offend me is myself. Now that is almost the same as squaring the circle. Ask Kicks baby he knows all about it.

That reminds me of the saying,' "yüzüne tükürseler, Allaha şükreder gökden yağmur yağar sanırsın"/ (If someone spat in your face, you would thank god for the rain)

I hope I aint pushing my luck here!!

I am a very hopefull person. You hit the nail on the head with that one, why oh why did you not hit kikapoo's head instead, so you could have done us all a favour.

You like putting me on the spot here. Like you he is a friend. I normally pat friends on the back. So please do not ask me to commit violence.

I'll go along with that, he thinks he is jesus, a few nails want go amiss.

[YFred]

If we applaud Bananiot for criticising his own side,we cannot turn around and criticise Kikapu for doing the same...They both have the right to their opinions and the right to speak them openly and freely...We don't have to agree with them,and we have the right to shoot them down for it,hopefully with intelligent and sensible discussion...

The problem is that it hurts more when critsicm is coming from your own side. That is why the TCs are very hard on Kikapu and the GCs on Bananiot...It is true that we need more Kikapus and Bananiots in this forum...That would indicate that more and more people are managing to see the "other" side's perspective...

Having said all that, I think Banainot has more credibility than Kikapu simply because he does criticise the TCs as well when the ocassion arises...I could be wrong,and would be delighted to be proven wrong,but I cannot remember Kikapu ever criticising or disagreeing with any GC on this forum...And I have not seen Kikapu ever defending and TC even when they are unfairly attacked...for example,when certain individuals keep going on the TCs being the Ottoman remnants,or guilty of the deeds of the Ottomans going back to 1571,or leaving their homes voluntarily to aid Turkey's expansionist Taksim policy during 1963-74,Kikapu remains silent...What he doesnt consider is that silence for most people indicate agreement...Yet it is not possible for a sensible,intelligent person and a TC, to agree that all TCs are thieves,cockroaches,traitors to their country,and hell bent on helping Turkey to achive her imaginary expansionist ambitions...It is not possible for any sensible person to believe that the TCs were wrong in opposing ENOSIS when they did,and the way they did it,which was the only realistic option they had...Yet when all these accusations are thrown at us,Kikapu will insist on keeping silent...
That I think is what is puzzling most TCs here,including myself,who did my share of criticising my own side in the past...The excuse that "I moved on,and now only consider the future" does not wash with me...Kikapu must have his own personal reasons for doing what he does...It is upto him to tell us what those reasons are ,if he so choses...If not we have to respect his decision and his right to conduct himself the way he sees fit...We do not have the right to speculate as to what those reasons might be...We have every right to attack his arguments but not his person...

Hi Bir,

Actually, you will find I have hell of a lot more posts making criticism of the GC's past events than Bananiot will ever have against the TCs. If you can access my first 6 months posts here on the forum, you will see what I'm talking about, therefore my credibility is intact.!

Spending endless hours of going back and forth on the same topics is the reason why I do not get into conversation about the past anymore. I have no hidden agendas, only I don't want to waste time by going around in circles. If you enjoy such "merry-go-round", then have fun. You yourself have only recently joined this "merry-go-around", so tell me Bir, how you managed to sort anything out with the GCs yet.?? Has the past events changed.? I don't think so, so while you are debating about the past and I choose not to get involved in it anymore, but does not mean I agree with what happened in the past to be correct or justifiable. I do not need to challenge every statement made by the GCs members here on the forum in order for me to remain credible. Lets not "throw the baby out with the bath water", or else it would become the case of labelling anyone "guilty" for choosing not to engage in the same topic over and over again. I wish you luck if you want to do so yourself, which is your provocative, but please allow me the same courtesy for not getting involved in the same "merry-go-around" conversation of the past.

For me, the future is what is important. When I pick on the NeoPartitionists and contradict their stance for wanting partition, is only because that is what they want to do, is to partition the island. Would you expect me to go along with them.?? This is at present time reality. This is where we are. Going back to past history is not going to change anything. That's why it is called history. It has already happened, but the permanent partition of Cyprus has not happened yet. This is something we can all do something about to alter the course of the future. This is what I'm interested in. This is what I argue for.


In any case, here is my very first post on the forum. You decide if I never argued against the GCs or against Piratis, since he is the most outspoken in reminding us of the past. You will some posts made by yourself also in the thread below. Take a look in what you said at the time.

Piratis & company are stuck in year 1571

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:55 pm

I have been reading most of the post by Piratis for the last month or so, specially regarding the "Cyprus problem", and most of the time, he defends the actions taken by the Greeks against his fellow citizens ( Turks ), because of what had happend 400 years ago. Well, no wonder there won't be any settlement on the Island and will remain divided way beyond our life time. If grudges can be kept for that long for the claimed deaths of 20,000 in Nicosia back in 1571, then I expect, it will take another 130 years from 1974 for the deaths of claimed 6,000 lives. I have no idea how long the Turks grudges will last for the deaths they have suffered in the hands from their trusted fellow citizens (Greeks ).

Piratis likes to point out that the whole problem was just a " intercommunual disagreements" and it should be left to them to work it out. So then, why was it not worked out between 1963 to 1974 when the majority could have made "wrongs done" corrected. It actually goes back to 1960, when the ink wasn't dry yet on the signed agreements between the parties to make Cyprus an independent country, when the plans were being formed to slowly but surely do away with the minority citizens. Not necessarily kill them all, but exile most, otherwise I would not be here to write this, since I was one of the 700 citizens taken at gun point in Nicosia ( Kücük Kaymakli ) to a detention center at some University building and kept there for a week in 1963 at age 8 years old. We were lucky to be captured by Greek soldiers that chose not to do us harm to about 30 people hiding in one room. Not so lucky were the family not far from us who were gunned down in their bath tub.

Perhaps had ( Turks ) they known the grudges of 1571 were still alive and well, they would have not fallen victims to their fellow citizens ( Greeks ). We can all scratch our heads for solutions and what ifs, but too much blood have been spilt over dirt and national pride. Lets hope future generations do not follow Piratis & company's foot steps.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... pu&start=0

Hi Kikapu,
I hope you didn't get me wrong. I didn't mean to say you have little credibility,I meant to say you both had a lot of credibility (this was implied because I was comparing you to Bananiot!) but ,for me,Bananiot's was more...When Bananiot posts anything you know it is coming from a GC,even if you have never read one single post of his before...When you post,these days,people assume you are a GC...Your arguments are exactly the same as some of the fanatical GC arguments,while I cannot think of one Bananiot post that can be confused with a fanatical TC post...

That is my opinion anyway,and I will not dwell on it...You are not in this forum to please me...The problem with not revisiting the past is simple...We cannot possibly reunite Cyprus until we come to terms with what happened in the past...Till we realise that there are a lot of mistrust and bitterness between the communities,and this will not simply go away by wishing it...We need to objectively and dispassionately analyse the past,learn the lessons,and start building bridges...Like when you have a serious medical condition,and the doctor is not at all interested in your past medical history,or even in a proper diagnosis...He tells you there is a miracle cure now and whatever the problem if you apply this new miracle cure all will be well...Your miracle cure is Democracy,human rights and the EU principles,but the patient will not take that pill till you convince him you know what he suffers from,really understand his condition, and he can trust you with his life...Saying trust me,swallow this pill,it is the best thing available will not do it...Anyway I am sure you know what I am talking about...You have chosen to join the chorus line of GCs urging the TCs to swallow a pill they are not convinced is good for them...So what is the point of insisting? That is the "merry-go-round" the dead end,the impossible dream...And the longer you refuse to look at the past the more the status quo will continue to turn into the permanent solution...That solution is Partition,and you can also be accused now of being a neo-Partitionist,because your present stand will lead only to Partition...Sorry,but that is how I see it...

I second about 99% of that with only the exception of Kickapoo's sincerety. He has none, not while he goes around making things up. His credibility is zero. And that's coming from a moderate.

[Kikapu]

If we applaud Bananiot for criticising his own side,we cannot turn around and criticise Kikapu for doing the same...They both have the right to their opinions and the right to speak them openly and freely...We don't have to agree with them,and we have the right to shoot them down for it,hopefully with intelligent and sensible discussion...

The problem is that it hurts more when critsicm is coming from your own side. That is why the TCs are very hard on Kikapu and the GCs on Bananiot...It is true that we need more Kikapus and Bananiots in this forum...That would indicate that more and more people are managing to see the "other" side's perspective...

Having said all that, I think Banainot has more credibility than Kikapu simply because he does criticise the TCs as well when the ocassion arises...I could be wrong,and would be delighted to be proven wrong,but I cannot remember Kikapu ever criticising or disagreeing with any GC on this forum...And I have not seen Kikapu ever defending and TC even when they are unfairly attacked...for example,when certain individuals keep going on the TCs being the Ottoman remnants,or guilty of the deeds of the Ottomans going back to 1571,or leaving their homes voluntarily to aid Turkey's expansionist Taksim policy during 1963-74,Kikapu remains silent...What he doesnt consider is that silence for most people indicate agreement...Yet it is not possible for a sensible,intelligent person and a TC, to agree that all TCs are thieves,cockroaches,traitors to their country,and hell bent on helping Turkey to achive her imaginary expansionist ambitions...It is not possible for any sensible person to believe that the TCs were wrong in opposing ENOSIS when they did,and the way they did it,which was the only realistic option they had...Yet when all these accusations are thrown at us,Kikapu will insist on keeping silent...
That I think is what is puzzling most TCs here,including myself,who did my share of criticising my own side in the past...The excuse that "I moved on,and now only consider the future" does not wash with me...Kikapu must have his own personal reasons for doing what he does...It is upto him to tell us what those reasons are ,if he so choses...If not we have to respect his decision and his right to conduct himself the way he sees fit...We do not have the right to speculate as to what those reasons might be...We have every right to attack his arguments but not his person...

Hi Bir,

Actually, you will find I have hell of a lot more posts making criticism of the GC's past events than Bananiot will ever have against the TCs. If you can access my first 6 months posts here on the forum, you will see what I'm talking about, therefore my credibility is intact.!

Spending endless hours of going back and forth on the same topics is the reason why I do not get into conversation about the past anymore. I have no hidden agendas, only I don't want to waste time by going around in circles. If you enjoy such "merry-go-round", then have fun. You yourself have only recently joined this "merry-go-around", so tell me Bir, how you managed to sort anything out with the GCs yet.?? Has the past events changed.? I don't think so, so while you are debating about the past and I choose not to get involved in it anymore, but does not mean I agree with what happened in the past to be correct or justifiable. I do not need to challenge every statement made by the GCs members here on the forum in order for me to remain credible. Lets not "throw the baby out with the bath water", or else it would become the case of labelling anyone "guilty" for choosing not to engage in the same topic over and over again. I wish you luck if you want to do so yourself, which is your provocative, but please allow me the same courtesy for not getting involved in the same "merry-go-around" conversation of the past.

For me, the future is what is important. When I pick on the NeoPartitionists and contradict their stance for wanting partition, is only because that is what they want to do, is to partition the island. Would you expect me to go along with them.?? This is at present time reality. This is where we are. Going back to past history is not going to change anything. That's why it is called history. It has already happened, but the permanent partition of Cyprus has not happened yet. This is something we can all do something about to alter the course of the future. This is what I'm interested in. This is what I argue for.


In any case, here is my very first post on the forum. You decide if I never argued against the GCs or against Piratis, since he is the most outspoken in reminding us of the past. You will some posts made by yourself also in the thread below. Take a look in what you said at the time.

Piratis & company are stuck in year 1571

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:55 pm

I have been reading most of the post by Piratis for the last month or so, specially regarding the "Cyprus problem", and most of the time, he defends the actions taken by the Greeks against his fellow citizens ( Turks ), because of what had happend 400 years ago. Well, no wonder there won't be any settlement on the Island and will remain divided way beyond our life time. If grudges can be kept for that long for the claimed deaths of 20,000 in Nicosia back in 1571, then I expect, it will take another 130 years from 1974 for the deaths of claimed 6,000 lives. I have no idea how long the Turks grudges will last for the deaths they have suffered in the hands from their trusted fellow citizens (Greeks ).

Piratis likes to point out that the whole problem was just a " intercommunual disagreements" and it should be left to them to work it out. So then, why was it not worked out between 1963 to 1974 when the majority could have made "wrongs done" corrected. It actually goes back to 1960, when the ink wasn't dry yet on the signed agreements between the parties to make Cyprus an independent country, when the plans were being formed to slowly but surely do away with the minority citizens. Not necessarily kill them all, but exile most, otherwise I would not be here to write this, since I was one of the 700 citizens taken at gun point in Nicosia ( Kücük Kaymakli ) to a detention center at some University building and kept there for a week in 1963 at age 8 years old. We were lucky to be captured by Greek soldiers that chose not to do us harm to about 30 people hiding in one room. Not so lucky were the family not far from us who were gunned down in their bath tub.

Perhaps had ( Turks ) they known the grudges of 1571 were still alive and well, they would have not fallen victims to their fellow citizens ( Greeks ). We can all scratch our heads for solutions and what ifs, but too much blood have been spilt over dirt and national pride. Lets hope future generations do not follow Piratis & company's foot steps.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... pu&start=0

Hi Kikapu,
I hope you didn't get me wrong. I didn't mean to say you have little credibility,I meant to say you both had a lot of credibility (this was implied because I was comparing you to Bananiot!) but ,for me,Bananiot's was more...When Bananiot posts anything you know it is coming from a GC,even if you have never read one single post of his before...When you post,these days,people assume you are a GC...Your arguments are exactly the same as some of the fanatical GC arguments,while I cannot think of one Bananiot post that can be confused with a fanatical TC post...

But Bir, you are viewing Bananiots posts as a TC, is the reason why his posts does not come across as a fanatical TC. The GCs on the other hand sees Bananiots posts as a "traitor and a appeaser to the Turks". It is all a matter of prospective. For the GCs, they can easily confuse Bananiot to a fanatical TC if they did not know him better. The GCs do not see me as a fanatical GC with my posts, only the TCs do, those who do not like what I have to say. It all depends from which angle one is looking from.!

That is my opinion anyway,and I will not dwell on it...You are not in this forum to please me...The problem with not revisiting the past is simple...We cannot possibly reunite Cyprus until we come to terms with what happened in the past...Till we realise that there are a lot of mistrust and bitterness between the communities,and this will not simply go away by wishing it...We need to objectively and dispassionately analyse the past,learn the lessons,and start building bridges...Like when you have a serious medical condition,and the doctor is not at all interested in your past medical history,or even in a proper diagnosis...He tells you there is a miracle cure now and whatever the problem if you apply this new miracle cure all will be well...Your miracle cure is Democracy,human rights and the EU principles,but the patient will not take that pill till you convince him you know what he suffers from,really understand his condition, and he can trust you with his life...Saying trust me,swallow this pill,it is the best thing available will not do it...Anyway I am sure you know what I am talking about...You have chosen to join the chorus line of GCs urging the TCs to swallow a pill they are not convinced is good for them...So what is the point of insisting? That is the "merry-go-round" the dead end,the impossible dream...And the longer you refuse to look at the past the more the status quo will continue to turn into the permanent solution...That solution is Partition,and you can also be accused now of being a neo-Partitionist,because your present stand will lead only to Partition...Sorry,but that is how I see it...

I don't have a problem in what you say Bir. I'm also not ignoring the past events, nor have I forgotten them or dismiss them as not being important. I just don't want to be on the "merry-go-around" talking about the past that has been/is being discussed to death, and I ask you again, what have you and others have achieved by doing so.? Is everyone ready to embrace each other before there is a Fair & Just settlement. If so, please let me know when the big celebration is going to be so that I can be there to kiss and make up with everyone. The reality is, in order for the past to heal, it is when a settlement is reached that will be Fair & Just, otherwise, forget any kissing and making up. How can such an event take place when on the one hand everyone wants to be friends with the GCs/TCs, and at the same time one has more rights than the other. Just how do you do that if a Fair & Just settlement is not found. I'm all for Fair & Just settlement, only because I learned from the past mistakes, starting with the 1960 constitution. I know where the problems lie and I also know repeating those same problems in the future settlement is only asking for trouble. If asking for fair & Just settlement, True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles for a settlement in the 21st century as a EU member state makes me a GC fanatic supporter, well, then I guess I am a GC fanatic supporter. It will be better than supporting TC fanatics who are after Taksim and not unified Cyprus. You insist that by me supporting all the western values will only bring partition to Cyprus, you fail to mention that those seeking Taksim only want partitioning of Cyprus. If I'm going to have to make the choice between sticking to my beliefs and principles where every Cypriot citizen deserves to be treated as equal citizens or face TC fanatics Taksim threats, then I will choose to stand by Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.

Anyway my friend, Bir, we are not the ones in the negotiating room. Lets see what they come up with, but let me leave you with a thought for you to ponder on. If you can't trust Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles as the case is with the rest of Europe for Cyprus, how can you trust the opposite to serve Cyprus well.??

Anyway my friend, I don't have much time to write for the next few weeks, so don't think I'm ignoring your future posts on this subject.!