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[Piratis]

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I simply wanted to set the record straight about who is really responsible for the inter-communal conflict.

To what end? You won't persuade the likes of VP or indeed many of the more moderate TCs who post on CF. It's a pointless exercise, it simply fuels the engine of hate. Both sides have made mistakes, posts like yours simply give the other side more ammunition to fight for their partitionist cause.

When the TCs day and night propagandize their own distorted version of the inter-communal conflict trying to blame it on us and excuse in this way their crimes and unfair demands is not a "pointless exercise" that "simply fuels the engine of hate"? Your problem is with setting the record strength and restoring the truth?

Posts like mine remove the ammunition from the partitionists. I am sure many GCs in this forum, especially the younger ones, did not know about the events of that time. It is our duty to restore the truth and not to allow the Turkish propagandists to spread their lies.

Posts like yours are lies and only fuels the belief that you can never trust GCs and that if we are ever foolish enough to agree a solution we demand guarantees and plenty of safeguards.

Everything I posted is supported by hard evidence my friend. There is no excuse in your illegal occupation, there is no excuse in your demands. If you want to steal our lands the only way to do it is to kill each and every one of us, because until that happens we will continue our struggle for the freedom of our island.

[Piratis]

Whilst I too find these types of threads pointless and negative, there is also the fact that there has been an apology from the GC side.

Unless I have missed it, I have yet to hear anything from the TC side.

When where and how...was a half baked insincere statement used like you are doing so now to further the GC cause of trying to show they regret the shit they did in the past. Not good enough.

You are the ones who have most of the blame for what happened in the past and you have the nerve to ask from us to show regret?

[MR-from-NG]

Piratis knows nothing about the intercommunal conflict that took the lives of so many innocent Greek and Turkish Cypriots. As I said earlier, he is just a zealot, trying to show that only the other side has responsibilities. He cannot be taken for real. If anyone wants to really get an inside of what was happening during those difficult times I suggest a very good book by Costas Sophocleous ISBN 978-9963-8773-1-7. There, in pages 211 - 346, Sophocleous documents in a very precise way all the atrocities committed by both sides. He also writes about how, the prevailing conditions of fanaticism, got the two communities in a tangle, even in places where they were leaving in peace and harmony for centuries. Vasileia, in the Kyrenia district is such an example, where on May 20, 1956, the TC villagers went to a TC wedding but thought, contrary to custom, not to invite their GC neighbours to the wedding because they heard of the "troubles" in Nicosia. The GC's were upset, and the following Monday which was Kataklismos Monday, they went to the beach, like every year for souvla, but retaliating, they did not invite their TC neighbours, like they did every year. There, after they downed a fair amount of booze too, they went back to the village and asked the TC's for an explanation. Scuffles started and about 12 villagers were injured! When things quietened and when the alcohol wore off, the sensible leaders of the two communities put matters right and the two communities went about their business as usual. Stories like this one are fount aplenty in this book and it makes a good read and it is an eye opener but people like Piratis will never read it of course because it will destroy his stereotypes.

For a couple of years now, this person has made it the cause of his life to prove to the forumers that the TC's solely are responsible for the intercommunal troubles that he thinks started in 1958!

Hi Bananiot, this book sounds like a good read. I did a search on Google for it but got no results at all. When was it published? is it available in English or Turkish? Thanks.

[Jerry]

When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

The same can be said of yours, I have proven beyond a doubt that the troubles between TCs and GCs started well before 1958. You are a liar Piratis.

Sure you started the troubles well before 1958. You started them in 1570 to be exact.

But here we are not talking about "troubles" in general, but about the inter-communal conflict where you targeted innocent GCs, burned down homes and shops and massacred several innocents.

Go you fascists pillocks, fight it out between yourselves, better still why don't you just PM each other and stop infecting the forum with your childish "you started it" playground taunts.

[MR-from-NG]

Whilst I too find these types of threads pointless and negative, there is also the fact that there has been an apology from the GC side.

Unless I have missed it, I have yet to hear anything from the TC side.

When where and how...was a half baked insincere statement used like you are doing so now to further the GC cause of trying to show they regret the shit they did in the past. Not good enough.

You are the ones who have most of the blame for what happened in the past and you have the nerve to ask from us to show regret?

You are nuts, right down to your anus

[CopperLine]

When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

The same can be said of yours, I have proven beyond a doubt that the troubles between TCs and GCs started well before 1958. You are a liar Piratis.

Sure you started the troubles well before 1958. You started them in 1570 to be exact.

But here we are not talking about "troubles" in general, but about the inter-communal conflict where you targeted innocent GCs, burned down homes and shops and massacred several innocents.

I don't know Viewpoint, but I know that s/he is not 440 years old and therefore, Piratis, your claim that s/he started the troubles in 1570 is - as usual - total bollocks. Hey, but why let a simple fact get in the way of a fanatical fantasy ?

[Piratis]

Piratis knows nothing about the intercommunal conflict that took the lives of so many innocent Greek and Turkish Cypriots. As I said earlier, he is just a zealot, trying to show that only the other side has responsibilities. He cannot be taken for real. If anyone wants to really get an inside of what was happening during those difficult times I suggest a very good book by Costas Sophocleous ISBN 978-9963-8773-1-7. There, in pages 211 - 346, Sophocleous documents in a very precise way all the atrocities committed by both sides. He also writes about how, the prevailing conditions of fanaticism, got the two communities in a tangle, even in places where they were leaving in peace and harmony for centuries. Vasileia, in the Kyrenia district is such an example, where on May 20, 1956, the TC villagers went to a TC wedding but thought, contrary to custom, not to invite their GC neighbours to the wedding because they heard of the "troubles" in Nicosia. The GC's were upset, and the following Monday which was Kataklismos Monday, they went to the beach, like every year for souvla, but retaliating, they did not invite their TC neighbours, like they did every year. There, after they downed a fair amount of booze too, they went back to the village and asked the TC's for an explanation. Scuffles started and about 12 villagers were injured! When things quietened and when the alcohol wore off, the sensible leaders of the two communities put matters right and the two communities went about their business as usual. Stories like this one are fount aplenty in this book and it makes a good read and it is an eye opener but people like Piratis will never read it of course because it will destroy his stereotypes.

For a couple of years now, this person has made it the cause of his life to prove to the forumers that the TC's solely are responsible for the intercommunal troubles that he thinks started in 1958!

I post about the riots, the burning of shops and homes, the massacres of innocents which came after broadcasts from Turkey calling the TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war, and then Bananiot tries to equate these events with some drunk villagers that had some fight because they were not invited to some wedding and some beach party! We have more serous problems than that after every football derby.

Your attempt to help the Turkish propagandists is amazing, maybe they will give you an award for the effort, but you failed to successfully disprove the truths I posted in this thread.

[Piratis]

When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

The same can be said of yours, I have proven beyond a doubt that the troubles between TCs and GCs started well before 1958. You are a liar Piratis.

Sure you started the troubles well before 1958. You started them in 1570 to be exact.

But here we are not talking about "troubles" in general, but about the inter-communal conflict where you targeted innocent GCs, burned down homes and shops and massacred several innocents.

I don't know Viewpoint, but I know that s/he is not 440 years old and therefore, Piratis, your claim that s/he started the troubles in 1570 is - as usual - total bollocks. Hey, but why let a simple fact get in the way of a fanatical fantasy ?

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[Piratis]

When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

The same can be said of yours, I have proven beyond a doubt that the troubles between TCs and GCs started well before 1958. You are a liar Piratis.

Sure you started the troubles well before 1958. You started them in 1570 to be exact.

But here we are not talking about "troubles" in general, but about the inter-communal conflict where you targeted innocent GCs, burned down homes and shops and massacred several innocents.

Go you fascists pillocks, fight it out between yourselves, better still why don't you just PM each other and stop infecting the forum with your childish "you started it" playground taunts.

The "who started it" is essential in the Turkish propaganda. Try to tell to most TCs about Cyprus being free and democratic without racist discriminations and what they will come back and say is their usual "63-74" propaganda poem. What do you think that is? Don't you see that they are trying to blame us for the inter-communal conflict and in this way excuse yet more crimes against us? Isn't this propaganda the core of everything they say in here?

Why do you mind setting the record straight when it comes to the inter-communal conflict?

[CopperLine]

Not good enough Piratis, indeed a pathetic and dishonest response.

You Piratis assign responsibilty to individuals for actions they cannot possibly have carried out. When challenged you pretend that the action was taken by a collective 'you' from which the individual is prohibited by you (Piratis) from denying any connection. The individual is damned if s/he does and damned if s/he doesn't.

So let me state it again as an unarguable truth : absolutely nobody living today is responsible for the events of 1570.