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[Piratis]

Hello Piratis the moment you people dreamt of enosis was the day you placed us in danger and we had to fight back...get this into your head. You just casually stating we were not in danger does not cut it no one believes this bullshit, threatening us with becoming part of Greece was not where we wanted to take our future, your enosis turned us into instantly into your enemies thats why we the underdogs sided with the only force protector we knew the Brits.

1) That union with Greece would put you in danger is just some imaginary theory that you created to excuse your crimes. There is no evidence that anything would happen to you. On the contrary union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand and the Cypriot people did nothing wrong in asking for their rights.

2) Even before 1958 TCs had already joined the British as missionaries fighting against EOKA. But in 1958 you targeted the whole GC population, indiscriminately burning down shops and homes and murdering people. This was not an act against enosis, this was an act against the whole GC population and the aim was to initiate an inter-communal conflict. The broadcasts from Turkey calling TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war say it all.

Piratis you just claiming nothing would happen to TCs if we allowed you to gift Cyprus is Greece is not good enough and no one believes your ridiculous statements, we did not want to become a Greek island and all the dangers it would imcorporate we had every right to fight for survival.

Of course we joined forces with the Brits how else were we supposed to fight against you gifting Cyprus to Greece something we obviously did not want and saw as our death warrant.

You keep repeating nonsense without providing any evidence. Your imaginary scenarios do not count as evidence.

We didn't want to be part of British empire and we didn't want to be part of Ottoman empire either. Still we were under Ottoman rule for 3+ centuries, and under British rule for almost one more.

How can Cyprus be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but it can not be part of the Greek state, which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted? Of course it could, which is why the demand for union with Greece was a 100% legitimate one.

Furthermore you still did not provide any explanation on how burning homes and shops and murdering innocent people was an opposition to union with Greece. Those were attacks against the general GC public aimed to initiate an inter-communal conflict, not acts against enosis.

[Viewpoint]

More information of the GC mindset and what they are trying to deny every happened.

http://www.nartube.com/4a9521d889f63c394512d03fbc274f3acc217c82:ML2mbhxC7R4.html

[Jerry]

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I simply wanted to set the record straight about who is really responsible for the inter-communal conflict.

To what end? You won't persuade the likes of VP or indeed many of the more moderate TCs who post on CF. It's a pointless exercise, it simply fuels the engine of hate. Both sides have made mistakes, posts like yours simply give the other side more ammunition to fight for their partitionist cause.

[Piratis]

This again proves it was the GCs who started using violence firstly against the Brits then the Turkish Cypriots. The commentator clearly stating the violence between Greeks and Turks started well before 1958 which Piratis claims wrongly was the start in order to convince others that it was the minority who threatened the majority who wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece.

http://www.videojug.com/film/cyprus-riots-1956

Where in the video does it say that it was the GCs who started using violence against TCs?? Maybe you saw that part in your dream?

The GCs were fighting against the British since 1955 for the freedom of Cyprus from Colonialism. And as I said already the British tried to initiate the inter-communal conflict even before 1958, by hiring TC missionaries to fight against EOKA. But their plan didn't work as well as expected, so Turkey had to incite the TCs to attack the general GC population, and not just EOKA.

Its clearly states that there was fighting between Turks and Greeks in 1956 well before your claimed 1958 this blows the myth you are trying to peddle that TCs started all the troubles in 1958. You are right it does not say who started it in 1956 but more importantly reveals that you are a liar and would stop at nothing to lay the blame on the other side without taking full responsiblity for the enosis dream being the cause of division we have today.

The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 my friend. The problems started from earlier when you started to demand partition, and when you joined the British forces to fight EOKA.

Here is a video about that also:


But your attacks against the general GC public started in 1958. These were not merely attacks against EOKA. These were very serious attacks against the whole GC community, burning homes and shops and massacring innocent people, aimed to initiate the inter-communal conflict.

[Piratis]

When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

[Piratis]

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I simply wanted to set the record straight about who is really responsible for the inter-communal conflict.

To what end? You won't persuade the likes of VP or indeed many of the more moderate TCs who post on CF. It's a pointless exercise, it simply fuels the engine of hate. Both sides have made mistakes, posts like yours simply give the other side more ammunition to fight for their partitionist cause.

When the TCs day and night propagandize their own distorted version of the inter-communal conflict trying to blame it on us and excuse in this way their crimes and unfair demands is not a "pointless exercise" that "simply fuels the engine of hate"? Your problem is with setting the record strength and restoring the truth?

Posts like mine remove the ammunition from the partitionists. I am sure many GCs in this forum, especially the younger ones, did not know about the events of that time. It is our duty to restore the truth and not to allow the Turkish propagandists to spread their lies.

[Me Ed]

Whilst I too find these types of threads pointless and negative, there is also the fact that there has been an apology from the GC side.

Unless I have missed it, I have yet to hear anything from the TC side.

[YFred]

Whilst I too find these types of threads pointless and negative, there is also the fact that there has been an apology from the GC side.

Unless I have missed it, I have yet to hear anything from the TC side.

Was not the apology just after Muhtar X came out of the meeting with eoka? Did he have to get their permission?

[Bananiot]

Deniz

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arrested. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.

Deniz, this is a carefully kept secret in the GC community. However, privately, many people admit to it. Piratis has also committed another, bigger sin. He uses discredited John Profumo, Secretary of State for war, to "prove" to the forum that it was the ordinary TC's who did the killings. When it comes to killings of (real innocent) Turkish Cypriots, he is fast to endorse claims that it was EOKA B' that were responsible, even if the killings took place before EOKA B' was set up. Now, this is very serious because he has now turned against the ordinary man in the street, whom he wants us to believe that he will respect in a future United Cyprus where the minority will enjoy full political rights. This man is a zealot, of the worse type and luckily people started to see through his writings. Well done Jerry.

[Viewpoint]

The above are all a myth you have been peddling, the intercommunal trouble started well before 1958, you are a liar Piratis.