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[Piratis]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

Hey asshole, the attacks were initiated by the TCs on the 7th of June. How about if we killed each and every TC that took part in those riots or even dared to hold some stick in the range of 10 miles around our properties? Would that be fair punishment for those TCs? In the video I posted you can see TCs attacking GC properties. Is the death penalty the right punishment for those shown on that video?

But GCs did not react in this way. Their response was in fact very mild in comparison to the TC aggression. But then you choose to escalate the conflict and you committed the first massacre of the inter-communal conflict.

You support and excuse the murder of innocent people and that is what is sick my friend.

I dont support any murders whateever reason you sick bastard. Where do you think this argument will get you you arse hole.

You had a right to self determination , fine, we had the right to survive as Turkish Cypriot on the island of our for bearers you arsehole. Get used to it and dont bring such useless arguments up again you arsehole.

NOW FUCK OFF. (sorry Oracle)

You excused the murders of those people in your previous post. It would be better to admit you were wrong instead of trying to deny a fact which is recorded in your post.

Nobody threatened your survival in Cyprus. In the 50s we had nothing against your minority or any other minority in Cyprus. You became the enemy only after you collaborated with the Colonialists and you attacked us.

Furthermore, how is your survival in Cyprus related with burning the shops and homes of GCs and massacring innocents???

That was a natural reaction against your Enosis dreams you thick head. Other islands may have taken their own Enosis lying down but not the TCs . They did not want Enosis, you did. You should have been content to live in peace, but no. Enosis drove you crazy.

Union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand of the Cypriot people, not any less legitimate than independence. This is why the resolution for de-colonization defines " free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Your minority was not attacked and was not threatened (until you attacked us). Even if union with Greece was achieved we would continue to live together in Cyprus just like we did during Ottoman and British rule. How could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

Nobody asked from you to support union with Greece if you didn't agree with it. But disagreeing with a legitimate option that the majority choose doesn't give you the right to burn down homes and shops and murder innocent people, right? It is these actions of yours which initiated the inter-communal conflict. If you had accepted that Cypriots could democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island then nobody would need to die in any conflict.

(note that your community did not support any of the legitimate options. On the contrary you supported partition, something which involves the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Cypriots)

[YFred]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

Hey asshole, the attacks were initiated by the TCs on the 7th of June. How about if we killed each and every TC that took part in those riots or even dared to hold some stick in the range of 10 miles around our properties? Would that be fair punishment for those TCs? In the video I posted you can see TCs attacking GC properties. Is the death penalty the right punishment for those shown on that video?

But GCs did not react in this way. Their response was in fact very mild in comparison to the TC aggression. But then you choose to escalate the conflict and you committed the first massacre of the inter-communal conflict.

You support and excuse the murder of innocent people and that is what is sick my friend.

I dont support any murders whateever reason you sick bastard. Where do you think this argument will get you you arse hole.

You had a right to self determination , fine, we had the right to survive as Turkish Cypriot on the island of our for bearers you arsehole. Get used to it and dont bring such useless arguments up again you arsehole.

NOW FUCK OFF. (sorry Oracle)

You excused the murders of those people in your previous post. It would be better to admit you were wrong instead of trying to deny a fact which is recorded in your post.

Nobody threatened your survival in Cyprus. In the 50s we had nothing against your minority or any other minority in Cyprus. You became the enemy only after you collaborated with the Colonialists and you attacked us.

Furthermore, how is your survival in Cyprus related with burning the shops and homes of GCs and massacring innocents???

That was a natural reaction against your Enosis dreams you thick head. Other islands may have taken their own Enosis lying down but not the TCs . They did not want Enosis, you did. You should have been content to live in peace, but no. Enosis drove you crazy.

Union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand of the Cypriot people, not any less legitimate than independence. This is why the resolution for de-colonization defines " free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Your minority was not attacked and was not threatened (until you attacked us). Even if union with Greece was achieved we would continue to live together in Cyprus just like we did during Ottoman and British rule. How could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

Nobody asked from you to support union with Greece if you didn't agree with it. But disagreeing with a legitimate option that the majority choose doesn't give you the right to burn down homes and shops and murder innocent people, right? It is these actions of yours which initiated the inter-communal conflict. If you had accepted that Cypriots could democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island then nobody would need to die in any conflict.

(note that your community did not support any of the legitimate options. On the contrary you supported partition, something which involves the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Cypriots)

When a person hands over secrets of own country to another power is treason, trying to hand over the government? what is that?
100% for enosis? are you living in the real world? You just don't realise how funny you sound.

[Piratis]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

TMT must have been told the history of these released people although there is no doubt that both eoka and tmt killed innocent people to polarise the two communities both from their own community and from each other's.

Why would EOKA want to polarize the two communities?

This polarization served only the Turkish plans for partition. EOKA was fighting against the Colonialists and they had nothing to gain from antagonizing your or any other minority.

The inter-communal conflict was part of the partition plan. The evidence talk for themselves. Broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey calling TCs to murder GCs and start a war against us. It really couldn't be any more clear than this.

Mr. F. Noel-Baker asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps the Government of Cyprus will take to prevent the incitement to murder and civil war of the Turkish Cypriot population by means of radio broadcasts and newspapers from Turkey.

Mr. Lennox-Boyd: Her Majesty's Government have made the strongest representations to the Turkish Government about the tone and content of recent broadcasts and newspaper articles The Cyprus Press censor has on one occasion prevented the circulation of Turkish newspapers and will do so again whenever necessary.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

It's a human condition. Ask a GC to kill his TC friend to see if they do. It is much easier to kill people if they are no longer friends.

If your reasoning is right, then why were eoka driving TCs from their homes. Who were the untouchables who went around killing innocent farmers with impunity that TPapa admitted to? Why did they do that?

Piratis, you a real disappointment for an educated person. You should know better. Have you apologised to Tim yet? And I mean a proper unreserved apology?

YFred, you are not in the position to judge my education level.

Here we are talking about who initiated the conflict and whose interests such conflict served. It has been established that it is the TCs who initiated the conflict and it is obvious that this conflict served the plans for partition.

The events you are talking about, even if true, (you didn't provide any evidence) would have happened in the middle of the conflict and they were not the events that initiated the conflict in 1958.

Of course the TCs also had casualties during the conflict they started against us. Having some casualties themselves was after all part of the plan, since this is what would be used as an excuse for their partition demands.

Isn't this what you do even today, using the conflict you started against us as an excuse for demanding partition? If there was no conflict and you had no casualties then you wouldn't even have this lame excuse.

You needed the conflict and you needed to also have some casualties from it in order to excuse your partition demands. If during the conflict only GCs died then this conflict would be useless to you as an excuse.

The inter-communal conflict was part of the Turkish partition plan, and it is about time to recognize this obvious fact.

I spent 11 years in Lurucina surrounded by eoka from 6 different villages. It was obvious to anybody in the enclaves that it could not continue. We did not see the invasion as partition at all but bringing all the TCs together so they can be defended from your eoka.

You can look at it any way you like, but what is this obsession with links. Is there no other life outside of the internet. Does our experience not count unless there is a link to it.

Are you actually denying that there were untouchables in cyprus killing innocent people on both sides?
What are you? are you actually a real human? I don't think so.

YFred, even if the claims that you provide no support for indeed happened, they didn't happen in 1958, right? You are talking about the events that happened during the inter-communal conflict and not how the conflict was initiated.

Do you admit that the conflict was initiated by the TCs? Yes or No? If no, do you have anything to say to refute this fact?

Beyond that, during the conflict which TCs started, both sides had casualties and both sides suffered. I never denied this and I never excused our actions during the conflict. After all having some casualties of your own was part of your partition plan. If only GCs were killed and only GCs suffered during that conflict then your plan wouldn't work out.

It does not fill us with confidence when you describe the events of 63 and beyond as intercommunal conflict. When 80% of the population started to kick the shit out of 20%.

Strange the same tactic was used by the west when they descibed the events of Yougoslavia, while you friens serbs were kicking the hell out of the bosnians with the help of your hero the greeks I may add.

Intercomunal conflict indeed. Piratis get a life. Have you apologised yet?

The evidence show the contrary dear YFred. It is the TC minority who started the aggression against GCs in June of 1958.

Now were the TCs so stupid to believe that their minority would attack the majority and suffer no casualties themselves? Of course they were not that stupid. Of course they knew that they would have casualties of their own in this conflict they were starting against the GCs and this is exactly what they wanted so they could use their own casualties as an excuse to excuse their partition plan which was created back in 1957.

[YFred]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

TMT must have been told the history of these released people although there is no doubt that both eoka and tmt killed innocent people to polarise the two communities both from their own community and from each other's.

Why would EOKA want to polarize the two communities?

This polarization served only the Turkish plans for partition. EOKA was fighting against the Colonialists and they had nothing to gain from antagonizing your or any other minority.

The inter-communal conflict was part of the partition plan. The evidence talk for themselves. Broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey calling TCs to murder GCs and start a war against us. It really couldn't be any more clear than this.

Mr. F. Noel-Baker asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps the Government of Cyprus will take to prevent the incitement to murder and civil war of the Turkish Cypriot population by means of radio broadcasts and newspapers from Turkey.

Mr. Lennox-Boyd: Her Majesty's Government have made the strongest representations to the Turkish Government about the tone and content of recent broadcasts and newspaper articles The Cyprus Press censor has on one occasion prevented the circulation of Turkish newspapers and will do so again whenever necessary.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

It's a human condition. Ask a GC to kill his TC friend to see if they do. It is much easier to kill people if they are no longer friends.

If your reasoning is right, then why were eoka driving TCs from their homes. Who were the untouchables who went around killing innocent farmers with impunity that TPapa admitted to? Why did they do that?

Piratis, you a real disappointment for an educated person. You should know better. Have you apologised to Tim yet? And I mean a proper unreserved apology?

YFred, you are not in the position to judge my education level.

Here we are talking about who initiated the conflict and whose interests such conflict served. It has been established that it is the TCs who initiated the conflict and it is obvious that this conflict served the plans for partition.

The events you are talking about, even if true, (you didn't provide any evidence) would have happened in the middle of the conflict and they were not the events that initiated the conflict in 1958.

Of course the TCs also had casualties during the conflict they started against us. Having some casualties themselves was after all part of the plan, since this is what would be used as an excuse for their partition demands.

Isn't this what you do even today, using the conflict you started against us as an excuse for demanding partition? If there was no conflict and you had no casualties then you wouldn't even have this lame excuse.

You needed the conflict and you needed to also have some casualties from it in order to excuse your partition demands. If during the conflict only GCs died then this conflict would be useless to you as an excuse.

The inter-communal conflict was part of the Turkish partition plan, and it is about time to recognize this obvious fact.

I spent 11 years in Lurucina surrounded by eoka from 6 different villages. It was obvious to anybody in the enclaves that it could not continue. We did not see the invasion as partition at all but bringing all the TCs together so they can be defended from your eoka.

You can look at it any way you like, but what is this obsession with links. Is there no other life outside of the internet. Does our experience not count unless there is a link to it.

Are you actually denying that there were untouchables in cyprus killing innocent people on both sides?
What are you? are you actually a real human? I don't think so.

YFred, even if the claims that you provide no support for indeed happened, they didn't happen in 1958, right? You are talking about the events that happened during the inter-communal conflict and not how the conflict was initiated.

Do you admit that the conflict was initiated by the TCs? Yes or No? If no, do you have anything to say to refute this fact?

Beyond that, during the conflict which TCs started, both sides had casualties and both sides suffered. I never denied this and I never excused our actions during the conflict. After all having some casualties of your own was part of your partition plan. If only GCs were killed and only GCs suffered during that conflict then your plan wouldn't work out.

It does not fill us with confidence when you describe the events of 63 and beyond as intercommunal conflict. When 80% of the population started to kick the shit out of 20%.

Strange the same tactic was used by the west when they descibed the events of Yougoslavia, while you friens serbs were kicking the hell out of the bosnians with the help of your hero the greeks I may add.

Intercomunal conflict indeed. Piratis get a life. Have you apologised yet?

The evidence show the contrary dear YFred. It is the TC minority who started the aggression against GCs in June of 1958.

Now were the TCs so stupid to believe that their minority would attack the majority and suffer no casualties themselves? Of course they were not that stupid. Of course they knew that they would have casualties of their own in this conflict they were starting against the GCs and this is exactly what they wanted so they could use their own casualties as an excuse to excuse their partition plan which was created back in 1957.

Direct result of the demand of Enosis in 1955. Now who started it again?

[Piratis]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

Hey asshole, the attacks were initiated by the TCs on the 7th of June. How about if we killed each and every TC that took part in those riots or even dared to hold some stick in the range of 10 miles around our properties? Would that be fair punishment for those TCs? In the video I posted you can see TCs attacking GC properties. Is the death penalty the right punishment for those shown on that video?

But GCs did not react in this way. Their response was in fact very mild in comparison to the TC aggression. But then you choose to escalate the conflict and you committed the first massacre of the inter-communal conflict.

You support and excuse the murder of innocent people and that is what is sick my friend.

I dont support any murders whateever reason you sick bastard. Where do you think this argument will get you you arse hole.

You had a right to self determination , fine, we had the right to survive as Turkish Cypriot on the island of our for bearers you arsehole. Get used to it and dont bring such useless arguments up again you arsehole.

NOW FUCK OFF. (sorry Oracle)

You excused the murders of those people in your previous post. It would be better to admit you were wrong instead of trying to deny a fact which is recorded in your post.

Nobody threatened your survival in Cyprus. In the 50s we had nothing against your minority or any other minority in Cyprus. You became the enemy only after you collaborated with the Colonialists and you attacked us.

Furthermore, how is your survival in Cyprus related with burning the shops and homes of GCs and massacring innocents???

That was a natural reaction against your Enosis dreams you thick head. Other islands may have taken their own Enosis lying down but not the TCs . They did not want Enosis, you did. You should have been content to live in peace, but no. Enosis drove you crazy.

Union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand of the Cypriot people, not any less legitimate than independence. This is why the resolution for de-colonization defines " free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Your minority was not attacked and was not threatened (until you attacked us). Even if union with Greece was achieved we would continue to live together in Cyprus just like we did during Ottoman and British rule. How could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

Nobody asked from you to support union with Greece if you didn't agree with it. But disagreeing with a legitimate option that the majority choose doesn't give you the right to burn down homes and shops and murder innocent people, right? It is these actions of yours which initiated the inter-communal conflict. If you had accepted that Cypriots could democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island then nobody would need to die in any conflict.

(note that your community did not support any of the legitimate options. On the contrary you supported partition, something which involves the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Cypriots)

When a person hands over secrets of own country to another power is treason, trying to hand over the government? what is that?
100% for enosis? are you living in the real world? You just don't realise how funny you sound.

We didn't have any government in the 50s YFred. Cyprus was a colony. As I have shown already union with Greece was a 100% legitimate right, not any less legitimate than independence.

But union with Greece was not in the interests of Turkey and UK, which is why they used your minority as their pawns and as their excuse in order to deprive the Cypriot people from their rights and keep Cyprus isolated and under their control.

[MR-from-NG]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

Hey asshole, the attacks were initiated by the TCs on the 7th of June. How about if we killed each and every TC that took part in those riots or even dared to hold some stick in the range of 10 miles around our properties? Would that be fair punishment for those TCs? In the video I posted you can see TCs attacking GC properties. Is the death penalty the right punishment for those shown on that video?

But GCs did not react in this way. Their response was in fact very mild in comparison to the TC aggression. But then you choose to escalate the conflict and you committed the first massacre of the inter-communal conflict.

You support and excuse the murder of innocent people and that is what is sick my friend.

I dont support any murders whateever reason you sick bastard. Where do you think this argument will get you you arse hole.

You had a right to self determination , fine, we had the right to survive as Turkish Cypriot on the island of our for bearers you arsehole. Get used to it and dont bring such useless arguments up again you arsehole.

NOW FUCK OFF. (sorry Oracle)

You excused the murders of those people in your previous post. It would be better to admit you were wrong instead of trying to deny a fact which is recorded in your post.

Nobody threatened your survival in Cyprus. In the 50s we had nothing against your minority or any other minority in Cyprus. You became the enemy only after you collaborated with the Colonialists and you attacked us.

Furthermore, how is your survival in Cyprus related with burning the shops and homes of GCs and massacring innocents???

That was a natural reaction against your Enosis dreams you thick head. Other islands may have taken their own Enosis lying down but not the TCs . They did not want Enosis, you did. You should have been content to live in peace, but no. Enosis drove you crazy.

Union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand of the Cypriot people, not any less legitimate than independence. This is why the resolution for de-colonization defines " free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Your minority was not attacked and was not threatened (until you attacked us). Even if union with Greece was achieved we would continue to live together in Cyprus just like we did during Ottoman and British rule. How could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

Nobody asked from you to support union with Greece if you didn't agree with it. But disagreeing with a legitimate option that the majority choose doesn't give you the right to burn down homes and shops and murder innocent people, right? It is these actions of yours which initiated the inter-communal conflict. If you had accepted that Cypriots could democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island then nobody would need to die in any conflict.

(note that your community did not support any of the legitimate options. On the contrary you supported partition, something which involves the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Cypriots)

Piratis, you really are a sick bastard. Your knowledge of the events leading to the 74 intervention leaves a lot to be desired. As for you being a sick bastard and extremely annoying, just look at what you've caused over the last week or 2. You have upset and insulted Tim Drayton to such an extent that he no longer participates on the forum. And poor Deniz, he has used language on you that I've not seen him use in all the time I've been visiting this forum.

Here we have Deniz and TD, 2 of the most mild mannered individuals on the forum and yet you're such a CUNT that you managed to bring the worst out of them both.

I'm happy to use the C word when I'm communicating with people like you, its appropriate. I hate using the hate word and have avoided using for years, but you know what? I think I'm beginning to hate you, in fact, I think I hate you with a passion, and the more I read your filthy posts the more I'm leaning towards PARTITION. Keep the good work up CUNT.

[YFred]

Shut up Lit, quick to draw conclusions from the writings of a couple of forumers. Only a moron does this. The Cyprus issue is more serious than you can ever imagine.

Piratis, let us get to the truth. The TMT wanted to incite hatred but they could only achieve this if they found a willing partner. Our nationalist duly obliged by targeting the ordinary, vulnerable Turkish Cypriots who worked with Greek Cypriots. They worked hand in hand with TMT to destroy this country. Simply we lost out and we are crying our hearts out now. Had we been the successful part we would hear the other side weep, from Anatolia.

Now Piratis, tell us how these Kondemenos people murdered by TMT, were defending their houses in Kondemenos. The riots were taking place in Nicosia, the murdered people were far away from their houses they were supposed to defend. Please clarify.

First of all those 8 people, the first massacre, where not murdered by TMT. It seems you didn't read the links I provided:

Mr. K. Robinson asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Greek Cypriots have been killed in Cyprus in the course of communal rioting since the beginning of May; and how many are thought to have been murdered by Turkish-Cypriot terrorists.

Mr. Profumo: The Answer to the first part of the Question is "twelve" and to the second part "none".

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

The above is from the 24th of June. It includes the 8 GCs that were massacred on the 12th of june and 4 more that were murdered during the riots since the 7th of June. As you can see from the report those people were not murdered by TMT. TMT just planted the bomb at the Turkish Information Office to give the signal for the riots.

The murders of 1958 were not carried out by TMT but by regular TCs. The TC population was incited to act in this murderous way by broadcasts and newspaper articles from Turkey.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Similarly, those who reacted to the Turkish aggression those days were the regular GCs who saw their homes and shops being burned down and their lives threatened, without the British police being able (or willing) to protect them.

When the TCs were so easily manipulated and they didn't see the wrong in burning down the shops and homes of innocent people, do you really expect from GCs to be so smart to figure out the whole plan of Turkey and not to react to the destruction of their properties? Both GCs and TCs were in their majority uneducated farmers, don't you think you are asking for too much from them?

It is more than clear that the inter-communal conflict was planned in Turkey as part of their partition plan. Our side had absolutely nothing to gain from a conflict with the Turkish or any other minority.

The Turkish/British plan for the inter-communal conflict was simple: Inside the simpleton TCs to murder and destruction of GC properties by brainwashing them with broadcasts from Turkey, the British police would do very little to stop the rioting and protect the GCs, the GCs would try to protect themselves and possibly retaliate, and soon the inter-communal conflict would be achieved.

You have such a sick mind. These 'murdered' people were not on a picnic when arreseted. As far as the Turkish Cypriot villagers were concerned they were intent on attacking TC villages as reported in your link.
That they were arrested and then set 'free' is another story. The Brits could not even organise a chimpanzees tea party without falling over themselves. You know the truth ful intent of these people who were killed yet you are in denial. Dickhead.!!

Hey asshole, the attacks were initiated by the TCs on the 7th of June. How about if we killed each and every TC that took part in those riots or even dared to hold some stick in the range of 10 miles around our properties? Would that be fair punishment for those TCs? In the video I posted you can see TCs attacking GC properties. Is the death penalty the right punishment for those shown on that video?

But GCs did not react in this way. Their response was in fact very mild in comparison to the TC aggression. But then you choose to escalate the conflict and you committed the first massacre of the inter-communal conflict.

You support and excuse the murder of innocent people and that is what is sick my friend.

I dont support any murders whateever reason you sick bastard. Where do you think this argument will get you you arse hole.

You had a right to self determination , fine, we had the right to survive as Turkish Cypriot on the island of our for bearers you arsehole. Get used to it and dont bring such useless arguments up again you arsehole.

NOW FUCK OFF. (sorry Oracle)

You excused the murders of those people in your previous post. It would be better to admit you were wrong instead of trying to deny a fact which is recorded in your post.

Nobody threatened your survival in Cyprus. In the 50s we had nothing against your minority or any other minority in Cyprus. You became the enemy only after you collaborated with the Colonialists and you attacked us.

Furthermore, how is your survival in Cyprus related with burning the shops and homes of GCs and massacring innocents???

That was a natural reaction against your Enosis dreams you thick head. Other islands may have taken their own Enosis lying down but not the TCs . They did not want Enosis, you did. You should have been content to live in peace, but no. Enosis drove you crazy.

Union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand of the Cypriot people, not any less legitimate than independence. This is why the resolution for de-colonization defines " free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Your minority was not attacked and was not threatened (until you attacked us). Even if union with Greece was achieved we would continue to live together in Cyprus just like we did during Ottoman and British rule. How could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

Nobody asked from you to support union with Greece if you didn't agree with it. But disagreeing with a legitimate option that the majority choose doesn't give you the right to burn down homes and shops and murder innocent people, right? It is these actions of yours which initiated the inter-communal conflict. If you had accepted that Cypriots could democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island then nobody would need to die in any conflict.

(note that your community did not support any of the legitimate options. On the contrary you supported partition, something which involves the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Cypriots)

When a person hands over secrets of own country to another power is treason, trying to hand over the government? what is that?
100% for enosis? are you living in the real world? You just don't realise how funny you sound.

We didn't have any government in the 50s YFred. Cyprus was a colony. As I have shown already union with Greece was a 100% legitimate right, not any less legitimate than independence.

But union with Greece was not in the interests of Turkey and UK, which is why they used your minority as their pawns and as their excuse in order to deprive the Cypriot people from their rights and keep Cyprus isolated and under their control.

How can fighting for independence and wanting to join it with another country be the same. How much support was there for enosis agai? 100% you say, bullshit more likely. Did 100% of the population go to church? was the ballot secret? I think not. Take the blinkers off for a while Piratis.

[Jerry]

Absolutely no point to this thread. How on earth are we going to solve the Cyprus problem when the forum facsists insist on perpetuating the hatred of the past by gratuitously starting threads like this. Both sides were used and manipulated by forces outside the island during the last century - that is the root cause, not the actions of a few Cypriots. How can we ever expect Turkey to leave Cyprus when we keep telling them how much we hate the Turkish Cypriots. Threads like this, and the attitudes of arseholes who support them, will keep the metmechik here forever.

What do you suggest Jerry, we bow to their every request, bend on demand, or just shut up and do as we are told because the turks want it all their way?

Come on do tell us, how to be good little boys and girls and behave because the big bad turk is not happy with us.

They came to Cyprus FFS, they stole, pillaged, raped, and murdered us. And you and the likes of you want us to just STFU and let them get on with it??

I thought you were one of the good guys, you are starting to sound like Banana every day.

What pissis me off the most that all the TCs all pull in the same direction, bravo to them, on this issue where as the F GCs are all trying to score brownie points against their own.

Arseholes, we should be unitied in this struggle not F our fellow GC, we have others we need to be dealing with.

Capish!

You completely miss my point B25. Why does Piratis feel the need to start a thread "who started it". I don't disagree with much of what he said; I question his motives for digging up the past and adding fuel to the fire. How on earth do you expect us to come to terms with the TCs with attitudes like his?

We always end up playing “you started it ping pong” as recent posts demonstrate and it gets us nowhere. We have to accept that we will never persuade the other side to agree to our version of history and move on.

You know very well that the current impasse on the island is the fault of Turkey, not the majority of Turkish Cypriots, the blinkered fascists on CF are so blinded by hatred and anger they are unable to see the difference between the two.

[B25]

Jerry, the point of Piratis post that you and everyone else missed was a factual post to highlight to Bir especially, that the blame is not all ours as he and they are preaching.

He is giving factual evidence about how this problem started for which NO ONE has given any other counter EVIDENCE that he is wrong. Only insulting him.

The Turks have no leg to stand on whan it comes to the blame game, but we are made to look the bad guy and apologise to them for invading us, taking our country and whatever else they have done to us. Well guess what, they can all go jump.

They are not interested in ANY solution that will unify this Island, they are causing further friction in order to ascertain the partition of which they seek. Bir being the ring leader. Don't let him fool you with his cries for empathy and compassion, its a ploy to get you to bend over.

That's Piratis point, it wasn't to start anything. Only those guilty see it differently.

Now tell me this, how many GCs have supported this man??? Exactly, it should have been all of them. Shame on them.

Way to go Pirati, just keep knocking them out son, we are with you.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis main aim is to place the blame on the TCs so that he can dismıss their demands as unwarranted when negotiating a solution. What he clearly does not grasp is that when "democratic" rights has he claims eg gifting Cyprus to Greece places a large portion of the population in danger the will revolt and use any means to counter the cries for enosis. So the reaction of the TCs being the smaller community was natural first they sided with the Brits for strength and support to counter enosis thus finding middle ground in independence and then Turkey when the GCs decided they wanted to ditch the very same agreements they had signed. It took 11 years for Turkey to take action and step into to help the TCs, the GCs were using the tactics of encourageing TCs to leave Cyprus but their greed and hiddena gendas blew up in their faces in 1974, if you play with a bomb and it explodes then you cannot complain about the casulties as always you under estimated that the bomb would explode and the damage it would cause. Even today in 2010 the GC arrogance knows no bounds, history will repeat itself the explosion this time will come from the savious you thought would give you the solution you have always longer for from EU. The cracks are starting to appear and you choose to ignore then neither the EU or the UN will wait around for stupid Cypriots to agree a solution with open ended talks, a normalisation process will we forced upon the GCs by the EU for the North which will gradually provide a relaxation of isolation on the TCs, the tide will turn but you GCs are to stupid to see the reality of the situation which is fast becoming irreversable partition.