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[denizaksulu]

In Germany they call it Zivilcourage, DT.

zivilcourage Bananiot is all about human and democratic principles.

Did we have this implemented between 1963 and 1974, while we were waiting at the checkpoints just outside lefkosa for up to 6 hours a day in the midday sun in the middle of Aughust, or was it suspended for a bit of ethnic cleaning operation.

Clearly you are why this thread was created. Please have a look at the first few comments of this thread. Gracias amigos.

Amigo Garcia? was he not a good golfer?

I haven't a clue...why do you ask?

I though you just mentioned his name, no?

Deniz, what's so funny, I was having a wee chat with one of my GC friends.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

Can we put club some money together and buy him a fanoz or two?
May be that will lighten him up a bit.

He will need more than one fanoz. Get a truckload while you are at it (you have plenty money) others also need a few - me included when 'conversing' with you.

Who said I had plenty of money Deniz? what's going on? all these rumours going around. All I do all day long is deny what is being printed about me. What's going on?

So I was wrong.

I was only hoping you would donate a hundred fanoz for the PT/resident Gaco. He would have benefitted from a few of them.

[YFred]

In Germany they call it Zivilcourage, DT.

zivilcourage Bananiot is all about human and democratic principles.

Did we have this implemented between 1963 and 1974, while we were waiting at the checkpoints just outside lefkosa for up to 6 hours a day in the midday sun in the middle of Aughust, or was it suspended for a bit of ethnic cleaning operation.

Clearly you are why this thread was created. Please have a look at the first few comments of this thread. Gracias amigos.

Amigo Garcia? was he not a good golfer?

I haven't a clue...why do you ask?

I though you just mentioned his name, no?

Deniz, what's so funny, I was having a wee chat with one of my GC friends.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

Can we put club some money together and buy him a fanoz or two?
May be that will lighten him up a bit.

He will need more than one fanoz. Get a truckload while you are at it (you have plenty money) others also need a few - me included when 'conversing' with you.

Who said I had plenty of money Deniz? what's going on? all these rumours going around. All I do all day long is deny what is being printed about me. What's going on?

So I was wrong.

I was only hoping you would donate a hundred fanoz for the PT/resident Gaco. He would have benefitted from a few of them.

I don't think anything will lighten up that particular Gaco. Goud help us.

[denizaksulu]

In Germany they call it Zivilcourage, DT.

zivilcourage Bananiot is all about human and democratic principles.

Did we have this implemented between 1963 and 1974, while we were waiting at the checkpoints just outside lefkosa for up to 6 hours a day in the midday sun in the middle of Aughust, or was it suspended for a bit of ethnic cleaning operation.

Clearly you are why this thread was created. Please have a look at the first few comments of this thread. Gracias amigos.

Amigo Garcia? was he not a good golfer?

I haven't a clue...why do you ask?

I though you just mentioned his name, no?

Deniz, what's so funny, I was having a wee chat with one of my GC friends.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

Can we put club some money together and buy him a fanoz or two?
May be that will lighten him up a bit.

He will need more than one fanoz. Get a truckload while you are at it (you have plenty money) others also need a few - me included when 'conversing' with you.

Who said I had plenty of money Deniz? what's going on? all these rumours going around. All I do all day long is deny what is being printed about me. What's going on?

So I was wrong.

I was only hoping you would donate a hundred fanoz for the PT/resident Gaco. He would have benefitted from a few of them.

I don't think anything will lighten up that particular Gaco. Goud help us.

How many are there? FH, they are all over the place like locusts.

[YFred]

In Germany they call it Zivilcourage, DT.

zivilcourage Bananiot is all about human and democratic principles.

Did we have this implemented between 1963 and 1974, while we were waiting at the checkpoints just outside lefkosa for up to 6 hours a day in the midday sun in the middle of Aughust, or was it suspended for a bit of ethnic cleaning operation.

Clearly you are why this thread was created. Please have a look at the first few comments of this thread. Gracias amigos.

Amigo Garcia? was he not a good golfer?

I haven't a clue...why do you ask?

I though you just mentioned his name, no?

Deniz, what's so funny, I was having a wee chat with one of my GC friends.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

Can we put club some money together and buy him a fanoz or two?
May be that will lighten him up a bit.

He will need more than one fanoz. Get a truckload while you are at it (you have plenty money) others also need a few - me included when 'conversing' with you.

Who said I had plenty of money Deniz? what's going on? all these rumours going around. All I do all day long is deny what is being printed about me. What's going on?

So I was wrong.

I was only hoping you would donate a hundred fanoz for the PT/resident Gaco. He would have benefitted from a few of them.

I don't think anything will lighten up that particular Gaco. Goud help us.

How many are there? FH, they are all over the place like locusts.

The irony of all ironies is that he would not be allowed into Lurucina, Mehmetcik will not let him in.

[denizaksulu]

In Germany they call it Zivilcourage, DT.

zivilcourage Bananiot is all about human and democratic principles.

Did we have this implemented between 1963 and 1974, while we were waiting at the checkpoints just outside lefkosa for up to 6 hours a day in the midday sun in the middle of Aughust, or was it suspended for a bit of ethnic cleaning operation.

Clearly you are why this thread was created. Please have a look at the first few comments of this thread. Gracias amigos.

Amigo Garcia? was he not a good golfer?

I haven't a clue...why do you ask?

I though you just mentioned his name, no?

Deniz, what's so funny, I was having a wee chat with one of my GC friends.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

Can we put club some money together and buy him a fanoz or two?
May be that will lighten him up a bit.

He will need more than one fanoz. Get a truckload while you are at it (you have plenty money) others also need a few - me included when 'conversing' with you.

Who said I had plenty of money Deniz? what's going on? all these rumours going around. All I do all day long is deny what is being printed about me. What's going on?

So I was wrong.

I was only hoping you would donate a hundred fanoz for the PT/resident Gaco. He would have benefitted from a few of them.

I don't think anything will lighten up that particular Gaco. Goud help us.

How many are there? FH, they are all over the place like locusts.

The irony of all ironies is that he would not be allowed into Lurucina, Mehmetcik will not let him in.

Dont you mean the Mucahits?

[YFred]

In Germany they call it Zivilcourage, DT.

zivilcourage Bananiot is all about human and democratic principles.

Did we have this implemented between 1963 and 1974, while we were waiting at the checkpoints just outside lefkosa for up to 6 hours a day in the midday sun in the middle of Aughust, or was it suspended for a bit of ethnic cleaning operation.

Clearly you are why this thread was created. Please have a look at the first few comments of this thread. Gracias amigos.

Amigo Garcia? was he not a good golfer?

I haven't a clue...why do you ask?

I though you just mentioned his name, no?

Deniz, what's so funny, I was having a wee chat with one of my GC friends.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

Can we put club some money together and buy him a fanoz or two?
May be that will lighten him up a bit.

He will need more than one fanoz. Get a truckload while you are at it (you have plenty money) others also need a few - me included when 'conversing' with you.

Who said I had plenty of money Deniz? what's going on? all these rumours going around. All I do all day long is deny what is being printed about me. What's going on?

So I was wrong.

I was only hoping you would donate a hundred fanoz for the PT/resident Gaco. He would have benefitted from a few of them.

I don't think anything will lighten up that particular Gaco. Goud help us.

How many are there? FH, they are all over the place like locusts.

The irony of all ironies is that he would not be allowed into Lurucina, Mehmetcik will not let him in.

Dont you mean the Mucahits?

Nop, we have to go to Piroi through a big Mehmetcik Camp with tanks and things pointing at south towards Larnaca airport, and only TRNC IDs are allowed through. And if you are not born in Lurucina, they ask a million and one questions before they let you through. There is no Mucahit checkpoint to the village.

[denizaksulu]

Yes, you mentioned that before.

It seems the whole of Cyprus is centred around Lurucina. So pivotal.

[YFred]

Yes, you mentioned that before.

It seems the whole of Cyprus is centred around Lurucina. So pivotal.

If only people knew what went on there? Better than Oil mate.

[DTA]

1) So who started the conflict after cyprus got her independence?

The conflict started before and not after.

2) You use rhodes as an example, tell us what happened in Crete with a Turkish Cretan population of around 35% (not now obviously)

The same thing that happened to the Greek population of the west coast of Asia Minor, which were the majority of that territory, not just the 35%. This happened during the Greece-Turkish wars and the subsequent population exchange however. This is why Rhodes, which united in 1948 with mainland Greece is a much more relevant example.

3) What did samson admit in famous interview with a french publication if Turkey did not intervene?

You made a lot of GC enemies from 1958 when you started the inter-communal conflict. Did Samson say anything against TCs before 1958?

4) do you believe in pan Helenism? how do you think that affects your views on Cyprus

If by "pan Hellenism" you mean "the idea of a union of all Greeks in a single political body." ( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Panhellenism ) what I believe is that all territories should be free to decide in a democratic way in what political body they want to belong.

5) Do you think that Istanbul and Izmir are or should be part of Greece, how do you propose for that to happen?

That depends. Will Turkey respect the borders of Republic of Cyprus? If she will, then I also respect the borders of Turkey. But if Turkey does not respect the borders of Cyprus (or the borders of Greek Republic in Aegean), then I don't see why I should respect the borders of Turkey, and in that case if Greece at some point in the future will have the opportunity to take back Constantinople and Smyrna then yes, why not?

You avoided questions 1,2, and 3 I thought you wanted to get to the bottom of who started the intercommunal violence. Dont side step just answer them honestly and we can then take this further and educate people more otherwise people will doubt that is your objective.

following up to question 4 - would you achieve this by force?

following up on question 5 - so if Turkey withdrew from cyprus under a agreed BBF or an agreed partition you would be ok for Istanbul and Izmir to stay Turkish then?

FYI:
Constantinople and Smyrna , they dont exist in todays modern map, why do you use these names?

In this thread I showed how the TCs started the inter-communal conflict in the 50s. That is when the conflict started, not in the 60s or 70s. You ask me to discuss the 60s and 70s to "get to the bottom of who started the intercommunal violence", when I already showed that conflict started in the 50s?

The answer in question 4 is clear. Democratically means one person one vote, deciding in this way the destiny of our island. Where did you see the force? Force is used by those who want to prevent Cypriots from democratically deciding the destiny of their own island.

Question 5 - It depends if this was a solution that we wanted for our own island or something which was imposed by force and blackmail by foreigners.

why dont you answer my questions? why try to avoid them/

try to answer 1-3 honestly and without going off in a tangent please.

[denizaksulu]

DTA, have you tried squeezing water out of a pebble? its easier!!