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[Afroasiatis]

O, I wouldn't bother with this prick, he is just another Bananiot antagonist who sees the GCs as demons and the TCs as angels.

Do you refer to me? If yes, obviously you haven't read my posts. I didn't blame GCs or TCs, but nationalism and colonialism.

Now, why is the turkish army still here, the settlers and turkey in cyprus??

Your efforts would be better spent trying to get them out rather than blow jobbing them.

That's what we're trying to, to get turkish army out and reverse partition.

The ones who serve Turkey's interests and partition are the ones who see the Cyprus problem as a conflict between Greeks and Turks (I can't say if you belong to them, I haven't read a lot of your posts yet).

Afrodisiac, whats your beef??

You mean with EOKA? Well, I don't know if I would call it a beef.

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

[Afroasiatis]

"Muslims in Greece, Muslims in Bulgaria, "

what happened to them that can compare to the events in Cyprus? So far the Buglarian moslems form 10 per cent of the voting population and have their own political party, in Greece they hold several parliamentary seats and enjoy full equality. Which is a lot more than I can do in my hometown Famagusta.

The great majority of Muslims in Greece were involved in the population exchange and forced to leave their homes. The exception were the Muslims in Western Thrace (and Dodekanesa), but even they were put under pressure in many ways, with the result that today they are not any more a majority there. Even today, that the situation for them is much better than before, there are still remainders of the old oppression (see for example the question of "Turkish Union of Xanthi").

The Muslims in Bulgaria were put under pressure in the end of 80s mainly (e.g. by getting forced to change their names into christian ones). Many of them fled to Turkey as a result.

These are some examples showing that in our region minorities generally don't have it easy, and their survival was not guaranteed. Other examples are the fate of minorities in Yugoslavia and Turkey.

[Afroasiatis]

Greece was not "another state" since Cyprus was not a state at that time but just a Greek island which was a British Colony.

The first Greek state included only southern Greece and a few islands. The rest territories and islands were gradually liberated and united with the already established state. We were not asking for anything different.

As I already said I didn't expect from TCs to support enosis. They had the right to support another legitimate option for the decolonization of Cyprus - e.g. independence. But they didn't support this. They didn't even support what you talk about in your post about Turkish enclaves on the lands with TC majority. What they supported was the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of Cyprus in order for them to establish a Turkish state on land stolen from us. They had no right whatsoever for such thing and this is why they created the inter-communal conflict in order to create the conditions that would allow the forceful partition of Cyprus.

If Cyrpus was a greek island, and if we can use the term "liberated" for territories belonging today to Greece, is debatable. But even if we accept that, your arguments go again in the direction of the legitimacy question, which is not the important one as I see it.

If you are just trying to prove that the first shot of inter-communal conflict was fired by a TC, or that the TC leadership had a greater interest in this, you are probably correct. But it's not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in finding the real root of the conflict. And the real root was Cypriots adopting greek and turkish nationalism, which among GCs it was expressed in the goal of Enosi.

You're right that this what not so different to what happened to other territories in our region, but remember also the result there. Also not so different to what happened in Cyprus.

[Hatter]

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

It is not normal to display such profound ignorance and stupidity.
EOKA's aim was not a partitioned Cyprus with british military bases.

"normal" indeed! Idiot!

[EPSILON]

O, I wouldn't bother with this prick, he is just another Bananiot antagonist who sees the GCs as demons and the TCs as angels.

Do you refer to me? If yes, obviously you haven't read my posts. I didn't blame GCs or TCs, but nationalism and colonialism.

Now, why is the turkish army still here, the settlers and turkey in cyprus??

Your efforts would be better spent trying to get them out rather than blow jobbing them.

That's what we're trying to, to get turkish army out and reverse partition.

The ones who serve Turkey's interests and partition are the ones who see the Cyprus problem as a conflict between Greeks and Turks (I can't say if you belong to them, I haven't read a lot of your posts yet).

Afrodisiac, whats your beef??

You mean with EOKA? Well, I don't know if I would call it a beef.

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

Idependent united -paradise-psheet Cyprus.
give us our homes back and then we can ll hv th paradise plce you are telling us here.
idepedent? with Turkey's guarantee for our breath/sea and air ?
no my friend-sell your humanity and woderfull words to others-more stupid than us.We know them (Turks) as from the day Osman created them-idepedent with Turks even in the atmosphere can not be exist.
friendship/coperation/human rights-give us our homes back and then we vote for all of these beautiful bsheet Turks ar selling, after they take what they want, (Asia MINOR/IMBROS/TENEDOS/LOZANE TREATY ) And other various green horses.

Passas is not count as an honest party in Greeks hards any more.

they must return all they took And then we will became friends again- This time Giaour became human being and does not trust the Mogols any more

[YFred]

O, I wouldn't bother with this prick, he is just another Bananiot antagonist who sees the GCs as demons and the TCs as angels.

Do you refer to me? If yes, obviously you haven't read my posts. I didn't blame GCs or TCs, but nationalism and colonialism.

Now, why is the turkish army still here, the settlers and turkey in cyprus??

Your efforts would be better spent trying to get them out rather than blow jobbing them.

That's what we're trying to, to get turkish army out and reverse partition.

The ones who serve Turkey's interests and partition are the ones who see the Cyprus problem as a conflict between Greeks and Turks (I can't say if you belong to them, I haven't read a lot of your posts yet).

Afrodisiac, whats your beef??

You mean with EOKA? Well, I don't know if I would call it a beef.

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

It's funny how 18 months ago when I joined, I complained that there were eoka present on the forum and everyone denied it. It's funny how all the bastards are comin out of the woodwork now. Aint that a coincedence.

[Afroasiatis]

Dear Afroasiatis,

I would like to belatedly welcome you to our little Forum. I know you've been around for a while but only started to venture into the Cyprus Problem area recently...Because you seem to be a nice,sensible,thinking person,I'd like to spell out the unwritten rules of CF...The written ones you can find elsewhere....

1...You must believe that the Jews got it wrong...It was the Greeks who were God's gift to humanity!

2...Every land ever touched by Greeks shall forever remain Greek no matter who lived there before,and no matter who came to live there after!

3...There is only one civilised people in the whole world,the rest are barbarians to one degree or another,the worse being the Turkish people...

4...The Turkish Cypriots are to be regarded as Ottoman remnants at best,and Turks at the very worst...They are responsible for all the evil perpetrated by their ancestors,going back to 1571...

5...The Greek Cypriots are the God annointed masters of Cyprus whose destiny was rudely interrupted by the Turks-TCs...The latter must pay the price,and they must forever be made to feel third or forth class citizens in Cyprus...

6...ENOSIS with Greece was the divine right of the GCs,and their struggle for it was just and legitimate...The TC attempts to resist Enosis was an blasphemous act of treachery and the Turkish invasion in 74 was a gross act of territorial expansionism!

7...The GCs had every moral and divine right to try to achieve ENOSIS in any way concievable,including killing innocent women and children,massacring and ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands of TCs during 1963-67 period,and stealing their legitimate rights in the RoC Constitution...

8...The struggle to achieve complete dominance of the Ottoman remnants must and will continue,till the end of time or the lost drop of TC and GC blood,whichever comes first....Time does not stand still,and the balance of power will eventually change to allow the NGC one final push to throw the said Otoman remnants and their Turkish ally into the sea,off Kyrenia...

9...Anybody who does not believe that the Cyprus Problem started in 1958 with the killing of innocent GCs,and it was an evil design by the TCs to help Turkey's expansionism and to gain over GC losses is a traitor and Turkish arse licker,and will be driven out of this forum crying and screaming,by those who aim to turn Cyprus into a truly democratic country where human rights and the rule of law would reign supreme...


There are plenty of other unwritten laws,dear Afroasiatis,but these will be enough to set you on the right road to forum popularity and respect...

Enjoy your stay,however brief it might prove to be...

Thanks for the welcoming, BirKibrisli!

I won't follow the unwritten rules (or the others listed by Piratis in his post, of course). And see what happens.

[Afroasiatis]

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

It is not normal to display such profound ignorance and stupidity.
EOKA's aim was not a partitioned Cyprus with british military bases.

"normal" indeed! Idiot!

It was not its official aim, but its result. Something that should be obvious even in that times to anyone who had studied the geopolitical realities and the history of our region.

[EPSILON]

O, I wouldn't bother with this prick, he is just another Bananiot antagonist who sees the GCs as demons and the TCs as angels.

Do you refer to me? If yes, obviously you haven't read my posts. I didn't blame GCs or TCs, but nationalism and colonialism.

Now, why is the turkish army still here, the settlers and turkey in cyprus??

Your efforts would be better spent trying to get them out rather than blow jobbing them.

That's what we're trying to, to get turkish army out and reverse partition.

The ones who serve Turkey's interests and partition are the ones who see the Cyprus problem as a conflict between Greeks and Turks (I can't say if you belong to them, I haven't read a lot of your posts yet).

Afrodisiac, whats your beef??

You mean with EOKA? Well, I don't know if I would call it a beef.

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

It's funny how 18 months ago when I joined, I complained that there were eoka present on the forum and everyone denied it. It's funny how all the bastards are comin out of the woodwork now. Aint that a coincedence.

If by word "bastards" you refer to EOKA of 55/59 then i am proud to fight any bastard settler in this forum.Your bastard Attaturk effected 2 genocides and his picture is decorating all the streets of Turkey and your bastard state in North and you still hv the courage to call EOKA fighters as bastards.?

[YFred]

But I do believe that an independent united Cyprus is better than a partitioned one with british military bases. So it's normal that I don't agree with the EOKA struggle, which resulted to the second.

It is not normal to display such profound ignorance and stupidity.
EOKA's aim was not a partitioned Cyprus with british military bases.

"normal" indeed! Idiot!

It was not its official aim, but its result. Something that should be obvious even in that times to anyone who had studied the geopolitical realities and the history of our region.

It's all very well to have such high expectations, but I wonder if anybody carried out any risk assessment as to how likely it was to be achieved, considering the size of the TC population.

What did they imagine the Turks and TCs will do, play tiddlywinks?

What a shame, to be given a chance for independence and all they wanted to do was gift it to another country.