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[Oracle]

Bananiot thinks he told us something new. Here is a thread I started in 2007 showing how the troubles in the 50s started. This includes the divide and rule practices of the British who hired TC missionaries to attack EOKA.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-231865.html

In this thread I concentrated on the inter-communal conflict, which started with the coordinated attacks of TCs against innocent and unarmed GCs on the 7th of June. This was an organized attack against the general GC public planned in Turkey, who incited the TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war with broadcasts from Turkey.

Bananiot has admitted that he would prefer Cyprus to be a British colony. Some nationalism is needed for people in order to be able to unite and serve their common interests against Imperialists and Colonialists. If it wasn't for Nationalism today we wouldn't have democratic nation states, but instead Empires ruling over and exploiting our people as it used to be the case before the rise of Nationalism.

You were the ones attacking everyone else because you wanted to turn Cyprus into a greek island.

Turn it into a Greek island??? Wrong, it was never anything else. Now Fuck Off Turk!

[Gasman]

The only Greek influence in the RoC comes from their EU partnership

[Bananiot]

Now that Piratis has finally understood that the intercommunal strife did not start in 1958 he might just change his tune and save us the agony.

[denizaksulu]

In my village, all hunting rifles were collected by EOKA people and were returned after 1960.

I am sure they were ALL returned to the RIGHT people.


Which EOKA was it that had a infectious habit of raiding RoC police staions all over the island. Just a thought.

[denizaksulu]

Let's not take things out of context. It isn't right.

I strongly believe that EOKA's struggle for self determination is both justified and right, but I certainly doubt that any of the fallen would've had our present state of affairs in their mind. Our nation is now torn, and under threat from Turkey.

Even they, would've preferred for Cyprus to remain a British Colony for a few more years than be dealt the bogus Zurich Agreement (no country in their right mind would have such a constitution) and as a consequence be under occupation and divided for 36 years.

Eventually, self determination would've happened regardless.

I think we can say that EOKA's struggle was justified, under the principle of self-determination. After all, it was the wish of the great majority of the island's population.

Of course with the same principle, we can say that creation of turkish enclaves was justified too. And at least for the ones which had access to sea, like Mansoura-Kokkina, even the union with Turkey would be justified. As long as the majority of their population wanted it so. In a similar way, Muslims in Rodopi in Greece, where they are in the majority, should have the right to declare their independence, if they want so.



But all this is not really that relevant. Important is not what is justified, but what it's correct. And the struggle of GCs for Enosi, especially when carried out with violent means, would inevitably lead to inter-communal conflict sooner or later, and so to a Zurich-type constitution and eventually to partition. Since it was a goal that couldn't get accepted by TCs. On the other hand, a common struggle for independence would have the chances of avoiding inter-communal conflicts and partition.

I seriously doubt that. Look at the Kurds in Turkey now. They helped in the Turkish war of independence and they were summarily crushed after their revolt almost immediately after the Republic. It still goes on doesnt it?

So, you're saying we should never trust the Turk-TCs?

The way I saw it and which is relevant to the Cyprus issue is, 'I would be vary wary of the MAJORITY'. In Turkey I am not aware that there were any written agreements between the aforementioned parties, but then that did not stop the GCs in Cyprus trying to worm their way out by introducing the 13 point alterations.

[Bananiot]

Two of them were not returned Deniz, they were used to murder their owner. Takis, left 6 kids and Shellis 5. In nearby Milia village they murdered two women, Maria Haritou and 13 year old Despoula Katsouri, because they participated in a demonstration against the EOKA bombing of the village trade unionist building.

[denizaksulu]

Two of them were not returned Deniz, they were used to murder their owner. Takis, left 6 kids and Shellis 5. In nearby Milia village they murdered two women, Maria Haritou and 13 year old Despoula Katsouri, because they participated in a demonstration against the EOKA bombing of the village trade unionist building.

Oh dear. I wish I never asked. How sad. I posed the question tongue-in-cheek; but here we have it.

I am sure they were good people like our own 'Tofalli' the Americano from our village.

Ofcourse the Takis and Shellis were 'traitors'. May they rest all in peace.

[Bananiot]

These are my early experiences as a seven year old. I used to play with the kids of these people. One family stayed in the village after the murder and the hapless mother raised her kids on her own. I kept truck on one of them, he became a successful developer in the Famagusta region. The other widow took her five kids and went to England. I remember the day her husband was shot, like yesterday. I was with my father in his shop in the village. To make ends meet he was a tailor and a bike repairer. We heard the shot and my father jumped to his feet. My koumparos, he shouted and he run in the direction the shot came from. There he found his koumparos (Shellis) in a pool of blood. You see, EOKA had Shellis in the black list. There was a failed attempt at his life earlier. One of the killers died a horrible death later, from cancer.

[denizaksulu]

These are my early experiences as a seven year old. I used to play with the kids of these people. One family stayed in the village after the murder and the hapless mother raised her kids on her own. I kept truck on one of them, he became a successful developer in the Famagusta region. The other widow took her five kids and went to England. I remember the day her husband was shot, like yesterday. I was with my father in his shop in the village. To make ends meet he was a tailor and a bike repairer. We heard the shot and my father jumped to his feet. My koumparos, he shouted and he run in the direction the shot came from. There he found his koumparos (Shellis) in a pool of blood. You see, EOKA had Shellis in the black list. There was a failed attempt at his life earlier. One of the killers died a horrible death later, from cancer.

...and for what purpose. Britain would have relinquished her hold over Cyprus eventually. IMO.

[Bananiot]

I am a Scot.

I speak from the heart.
I know the value of friendship.
I drink my whisky from my great-grandfather's quaich.
I wear my clan tartan with pride.
I fight back tears at the skirl of the pipes.
I long to walk n the footsteps of my ancestors.

I was born and raised in Toronto,
but I have Scottish roots.

In 2010, I am going home!

Nice one oracle, thanks for sharing but this is a vein attempt to show that the person who wrote the above is a nationalist. Longing for the place you were born and raised when in foreign lands does not make you a nationalist. It is very natural. It happened to all of us who happened to find ourselves in exile in times when communications were rudimentary. I remember the relatives crying for days when a person was to embark on the long journey to England. As though he was dying.

Now, many people made their way back, fired by the passion of the homeland, but when they came back they turned the place upside down in order to return to the foreign lands. What they found upon returning did not match the ideal picture they drew in their mind. Girls at home had mustaches and did not look after themselves very much. On top, they were carefully protected and difficult to approach. Private life was unheard of, and the taste of fair England and other destinations returned sweetly and serenaded freudianly to their subconscious. Most duly went back and here goes your nationalist theory.