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When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

The same can be said of yours, I have proven beyond a doubt that the troubles between TCs and GCs started well before 1958. You are a liar Piratis.

Sure you started the troubles well before 1958. You started them in 1570 to be exact.

But here we are not talking about "troubles" in general, but about the inter-communal conflict where you targeted innocent GCs, burned down homes and shops and massacred several innocents.

I have proven beyond a doubt that the myth you have peddled for years it total crap the troubles started when you decided you wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece even after independence this was your goal so time to apologise for lieing to everone.

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I simply wanted to set the record straight about who is really responsible for the inter-communal conflict.

To what end? You won't persuade the likes of VP or indeed many of the more moderate TCs who post on CF. It's a pointless exercise, it simply fuels the engine of hate. Both sides have made mistakes, posts like yours simply give the other side more ammunition to fight for their partitionist cause.

When the TCs day and night propagandize their own distorted version of the inter-communal conflict trying to blame it on us and excuse in this way their crimes and unfair demands is not a "pointless exercise" that "simply fuels the engine of hate"? Your problem is with setting the record strength and restoring the truth?

Posts like mine remove the ammunition from the partitionists. I am sure many GCs in this forum, especially the younger ones, did not know about the events of that time. It is our duty to restore the truth and not to allow the Turkish propagandists to spread their lies.

Posts like yours are lies and only fuels the belief that you can never trust GCs and that if we are ever foolish enough to agree a solution we demand guarantees and plenty of safeguards.

Everything I posted is supported by hard evidence my friend. There is no excuse in your illegal occupation, there is no excuse in your demands. If you want to steal our lands the only way to do it is to kill each and every one of us, because until that happens we will continue our struggle for the freedom of our island.

However you label it to sooth your own guilt and bloody hands you have to deal with it as it will not go away.

[Mikiko]

What does it matter who started it ? The problem is there and it needs wise steps to resolve it not patriotic slogans.

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Whilst I too find these types of threads pointless and negative, there is also the fact that there has been an apology from the GC side.

Unless I have missed it, I have yet to hear anything from the TC side.

When where and how...was a half baked insincere statement used like you are doing so now to further the GC cause of trying to show they regret the shit they did in the past. Not good enough.

You are the ones who have most of the blame for what happened in the past and you have the nerve to ask from us to show regret?

bullshit as its your Gcs who claim your apologised confirming your guilt.

[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

like all of us ,i read most posts on this forum , and every few weeks i think ,yes we can live together yes we can put the past behind us , and then the shit hits the fan again and you realise that WE WILL NEVER BE ONE STATE ONE PEOPLE there is to much hate and bitterness between both sides for us ever to be united , and i am sorry but most of it is coming from gcs

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Piratis knows nothing about the intercommunal conflict that took the lives of so many innocent Greek and Turkish Cypriots. As I said earlier, he is just a zealot, trying to show that only the other side has responsibilities. He cannot be taken for real. If anyone wants to really get an inside of what was happening during those difficult times I suggest a very good book by Costas Sophocleous ISBN 978-9963-8773-1-7. There, in pages 211 - 346, Sophocleous documents in a very precise way all the atrocities committed by both sides. He also writes about how, the prevailing conditions of fanaticism, got the two communities in a tangle, even in places where they were leaving in peace and harmony for centuries. Vasileia, in the Kyrenia district is such an example, where on May 20, 1956, the TC villagers went to a TC wedding but thought, contrary to custom, not to invite their GC neighbours to the wedding because they heard of the "troubles" in Nicosia. The GC's were upset, and the following Monday which was Kataklismos Monday, they went to the beach, like every year for souvla, but retaliating, they did not invite their TC neighbours, like they did every year. There, after they downed a fair amount of booze too, they went back to the village and asked the TC's for an explanation. Scuffles started and about 12 villagers were injured! When things quietened and when the alcohol wore off, the sensible leaders of the two communities put matters right and the two communities went about their business as usual. Stories like this one are fount aplenty in this book and it makes a good read and it is an eye opener but people like Piratis will never read it of course because it will destroy his stereotypes.

For a couple of years now, this person has made it the cause of his life to prove to the forumers that the TC's solely are responsible for the intercommunal troubles that he thinks started in 1958!

I post about the riots, the burning of shops and homes, the massacres of innocents which came after broadcasts from Turkey calling the TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war, and then Bananiot tries to equate these events with some drunk villagers that had some fight because they were not invited to some wedding and some beach party! We have more serous problems than that after every football derby.

Your attempt to help the Turkish propagandists is amazing, maybe they will give you an award for the effort, but you failed to successfully disprove the truths I posted in this thread.

Your "evidence" is rubbish as you have picked a moment in time which could also be 1956 when you decided to sell us out to Greece.

[Piratis]

Not good enough Piratis, indeed a pathetic and dishonest response.

You Piratis assign responsibilty to individuals for actions they cannot possibly have carried out. When challenged you pretend that the action was taken by a collective 'you' from which the individual is prohibited by you (Piratis) from denying any connection. The individual is damned if s/he does and damned if s/he doesn't.

So let me state it again as an unarguable truth : absolutely nobody living today is responsible for the events of 1570.

Neither am I for any kind of past events since the date I was born was after 74. This doesn't stop Turkey to indiscriminately violate the human rights of all Greek Cypriots and to violate the sovereignty of our country. But of course you have nothing to say about that.

What is pathetic is your attempt to divert the topic of this thread since like every other Turkish propagandist you have nothing to say to disprove the facts I posted here.

[Viewpoint]

Not good enough Piratis, indeed a pathetic and dishonest response.

You Piratis assign responsibilty to individuals for actions they cannot possibly have carried out. When challenged you pretend that the action was taken by a collective 'you' from which the individual is prohibited by you (Piratis) from denying any connection. The individual is damned if s/he does and damned if s/he doesn't.

So let me state it again as an unarguable truth : absolutely nobody living today is responsible for the events of 1570.

Neither am I for any kind of past events since the date I was born was after 74. This doesn't stop Turkey to indiscriminately violate the human rights of all Greek Cypriots and to violate the sovereignty of our country. But of course you have nothing to say about that.

What is pathetic is your attempt to divert the topic of this thread since like every other Turkish propagandist you have nothing to say to disprove the facts I posted here.

You are a liar of worst kind.

[Piratis]

When VP starts posting Turkish propaganda videos we can all know he run out of arguments.

The same can be said of yours, I have proven beyond a doubt that the troubles between TCs and GCs started well before 1958. You are a liar Piratis.

Sure you started the troubles well before 1958. You started them in 1570 to be exact.

But here we are not talking about "troubles" in general, but about the inter-communal conflict where you targeted innocent GCs, burned down homes and shops and massacred several innocents.

I have proven beyond a doubt that the myth you have peddled for years it total crap the troubles started when you decided you wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece even after independence this was your goal so time to apologise for lieing to everone.

You proven nothing. What I will do is to keep this thread on top for a long time, so as many GCs as possible will read it and they will be able to demolish your "63-74" propaganda lies whenever you say them.

[Piratis]

Piratis knows nothing about the intercommunal conflict that took the lives of so many innocent Greek and Turkish Cypriots. As I said earlier, he is just a zealot, trying to show that only the other side has responsibilities. He cannot be taken for real. If anyone wants to really get an inside of what was happening during those difficult times I suggest a very good book by Costas Sophocleous ISBN 978-9963-8773-1-7. There, in pages 211 - 346, Sophocleous documents in a very precise way all the atrocities committed by both sides. He also writes about how, the prevailing conditions of fanaticism, got the two communities in a tangle, even in places where they were leaving in peace and harmony for centuries. Vasileia, in the Kyrenia district is such an example, where on May 20, 1956, the TC villagers went to a TC wedding but thought, contrary to custom, not to invite their GC neighbours to the wedding because they heard of the "troubles" in Nicosia. The GC's were upset, and the following Monday which was Kataklismos Monday, they went to the beach, like every year for souvla, but retaliating, they did not invite their TC neighbours, like they did every year. There, after they downed a fair amount of booze too, they went back to the village and asked the TC's for an explanation. Scuffles started and about 12 villagers were injured! When things quietened and when the alcohol wore off, the sensible leaders of the two communities put matters right and the two communities went about their business as usual. Stories like this one are fount aplenty in this book and it makes a good read and it is an eye opener but people like Piratis will never read it of course because it will destroy his stereotypes.

For a couple of years now, this person has made it the cause of his life to prove to the forumers that the TC's solely are responsible for the intercommunal troubles that he thinks started in 1958!

I post about the riots, the burning of shops and homes, the massacres of innocents which came after broadcasts from Turkey calling the TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war, and then Bananiot tries to equate these events with some drunk villagers that had some fight because they were not invited to some wedding and some beach party! We have more serous problems than that after every football derby.

Your attempt to help the Turkish propagandists is amazing, maybe they will give you an award for the effort, but you failed to successfully disprove the truths I posted in this thread.

Your "evidence" is rubbish as you have picked a moment in time which could also be 1956 when you decided to sell us out to Greece.

VP, all your propaganda points are in fact already demolished in this very thread:

Union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand of the Cypriot people, not any less legitimate than independence. This is why the resolution for de-colonization defines " free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Your minority was not attacked and was not threatened (until you attacked us). Even if union with Greece was achieved we would continue to live together in Cyprus just like we did during Ottoman and British rule. How could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

Nobody asked from you to support union with Greece if you didn't agree with it. But disagreeing with a legitimate option that the majority choose doesn't give you the right to burn down homes and shops and murder innocent people, right? It is these actions of yours which initiated the inter-communal conflict. If you had accepted that Cypriots could democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island then nobody would need to die in any conflict.

(note that your community did not support any of the legitimate options. On the contrary you supported partition, something which involves the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Cypriots)

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=585387

1) That union with Greece would put you in danger is just some imaginary theory that you created to excuse your crimes. There is no evidence that anything would happen to you. On the contrary union with Greece was a 100% legitimate demand and the Cypriot people did nothing wrong in asking for their rights.

2) Even before 1958 TCs had already joined the British as missionaries fighting against EOKA. But in 1958 you targeted the whole GC population, indiscriminately burning down shops and homes and murdering people. This was not an act against enosis, this was an act against the whole GC population and the aim was to initiate an inter-communal conflict. The broadcasts from Turkey calling TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war say it all.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=585434

Thanks for helping me turn this thread into a Tutorial on "How to demolish the lame Turkish propaganda". I see you run out of points and now you want to repeat the same ones. Fine with me. Repeating the truths never bothered me, and it will help keep this tutorial at the top of the forum for a long time