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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby sniper » Thu May 20, 2010 3:33 pm

CBBB wrote:
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Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer

All sat down in one boat together and had....................

"A troubled voyage in calm calm weather". :eyecrazy:


I can understand that the friction between Jesus and Hitler, but the others i don't quite get. Maybe i'm just a little stupid. Please explain.


Just a little?


Well i would say just a little as i managed to work out some of it, so not so stupid :) but seriously what would 3 kings, moses and queen cleopatra have that would make them argue??
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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby Schnauzer » Thu May 20, 2010 3:34 pm

sniper wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer

All sat down in one boat together and had....................

"A troubled voyage in calm calm weather". :eyecrazy:


I can understand that the friction between Jesus and Hitler, but the others i don't quite get. Maybe i'm just a little stupid. Please explain.


You are probably placing too much emphasis on the difference between the two characters you readily recognize and are therefore missing the point.

As I see it, the words are meant to demonstrate that the opinions (or conversations/discussions/arguments) which would possibly take place in the situation described, peopled by the various characters, each of different stations in life, would probably create an atmosphere which would tend to exacerbate rather than expunge harsh memories, thereby making it extremely difficult to reach agreement on any issues.

When one observes the 'Coming together' of the politicians at those grand meetings where the lives of millions depend upon the outcome of such meetings, surely, the message carried by the words of this particular song become quite clear.

How does one come to rely upon the truthfulness of a liar ?.

How does one come to rely upon the honesty of a thief ?.

'I' think it is as simple as that, 'You' may hold a different view. :wink:
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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby sniper » Thu May 20, 2010 3:56 pm

Schnauzer wrote:
sniper wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer

All sat down in one boat together and had....................

"A troubled voyage in calm calm weather". :eyecrazy:


I can understand that the friction between Jesus and Hitler, but the others i don't quite get. Maybe i'm just a little stupid. Please explain.


You are probably placing too much emphasis on the difference between the two characters you readily recognize and are therefore missing the point.

As I see it, the words are meant to demonstrate that the opinions (or conversations/discussions/arguments) which would possibly take place in the situation described, peopled by the various characters, each of different stations in life, would probably create an atmosphere which would tend to exacerbate rather than expunge harsh memories, thereby making it extremely difficult to reach agreement on any issues.

When one observes the 'Coming together' of the politicians at those grand meetings where the lives of millions depend upon the outcome of such meetings, surely, the message carried by the words of this particular song become quite clear.

How does one come to rely upon the truthfulness of a liar ?.

How does one come to rely upon the honesty of a thief ?.

'I' think it is as simple as that, 'You' may hold a different view. :wink:


Aha. Thanks.

I think my studies make me try to analyse everything and in parts not as a whole picture :)
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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby Schnauzer » Thu May 20, 2010 4:02 pm

sniper wrote:
CBBB wrote:
sniper wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer

All sat down in one boat together and had....................

"A troubled voyage in calm calm weather". :eyecrazy:


I can understand that the friction between Jesus and Hitler, but the others i don't quite get. Maybe i'm just a little stupid. Please explain.


Just a little?


Well i would say just a little as i managed to work out some of it, so not so stupid :) but seriously what would 3 kings, moses and queen cleopatra have that would make them argue??


On a lighter note (and by no means should you consider yourself stupid) I could imagine quite an interesting discussion (or heated argument) taking place among Moses, Queen Cleopatra, Jesus, Hitler and the Three Kings if the subject of Judaism became the topic of conversation, Richard the Lionheart would also probably have a word or two to say on the subject. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Postby CBBB » Thu May 20, 2010 4:07 pm

Excuse me!!! This is the Cyprus Forum, this is all to philosophical for here!

Can e please get back to swearing at each other?
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Postby Schnauzer » Thu May 20, 2010 4:12 pm

CBBB wrote:Excuse me!!! This is the Cyprus Forum, this is all to philosophical for here!

Can e please get back to swearing at each other?



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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby sniper » Thu May 20, 2010 4:26 pm

Schnauzer wrote:
sniper wrote:
CBBB wrote:
sniper wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer

All sat down in one boat together and had....................

"A troubled voyage in calm calm weather". :eyecrazy:


I can understand that the friction between Jesus and Hitler, but the others i don't quite get. Maybe i'm just a little stupid. Please explain.


Just a little?


Well i would say just a little as i managed to work out some of it, so not so stupid :) but seriously what would 3 kings, moses and queen cleopatra have that would make them argue??



On a lighter note (and by no means should you consider yourself stupid) I could imagine quite an interesting discussion (or heated argument) taking place among Moses, Queen Cleopatra, Jesus, Hitler and the Three Kings if the subject of Judaism became the topic of conversation, Richard the Lionheart would also probably have a word or two to say on the subject. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:


so, something like getting us all in a boat all together :) with all our tempers raring, i think we would capsize ourselves. :)
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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby Schnauzer » Thu May 20, 2010 4:51 pm

sniper wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:
sniper wrote:
CBBB wrote:
sniper wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer

All sat down in one boat together and had....................

"A troubled voyage in calm calm weather". :eyecrazy:


I can understand that the friction between Jesus and Hitler, but the others i don't quite get. Maybe i'm just a little stupid. Please explain.


Just a little?


Well i would say just a little as i managed to work out some of it, so not so stupid :) but seriously what would 3 kings, moses and queen cleopatra have that would make them argue??



On a lighter note (and by no means should you consider yourself stupid) I could imagine quite an interesting discussion (or heated argument) taking place among Moses, Queen Cleopatra, Jesus, Hitler and the Three Kings if the subject of Judaism became the topic of conversation, Richard the Lionheart would also probably have a word or two to say on the subject. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:


so, something like getting us all in a boat all together :) with all our tempers raring, i think we would capsize ourselves. :)


Absolutely sniper, although, (without resorting to bad language OR becoming too philosophical :lol:) I do really find it extremely annoying to observe (or hear) the comments of some who either voice or print, word for word, the declarations of those who supposedly act on our behalf and in our interests and adopt those words as their own.

Thus I drew attention to the reliance we are seemingly forced to have on those who lie to us and rob us (politicians for example) surely our systems of government should make provision for the immediate dismissal of any person in authority found to be guilty of (or even suspected of) any act of malfeasance.

If one is an habitual liar, how many times has that person heard the words "You ought to be a politician", similarly, if one is a thief the same advice is given OR, that that person should be in the legal profession.

Yet still there are those who await the outcome of the next 'Trick' to be foisted upon them, ready to step into the 'Boat' and argue among themselves whilst variously quoting the words of the latest trickster. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby Oracle » Thu May 20, 2010 7:22 pm

Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer


What an interesting dinner party guest list ... Could I be invited too, please? :D
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Re: It's not the people, it's the opinions.

Postby Schnauzer » Thu May 20, 2010 9:23 pm

Oracle wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Jesus and Hitler and Richard the Lionheart

The three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra

The Cobbler, the Maiden, the Mender and the Maker

The Sickener and the Twitcher and the glad Undertaker

The Shepherd of the willows, the Harper and the Archer


What an interesting dinner party guest list ... Could I be invited too, please? :D


Absolutely, and with open arms !, providing you didn't open up on the Turks :lol: (at least until everyone has had their fill and are sitting comfortably) :lol: :wink:
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