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[Kikapu]

Annan outlined the plan in a 138-page document[3] and gave Clerides and Denktaş one week to accept it as a basis for final negotiations. He wanted to submit his plan to twin referenda on March 30, 2004, just before the Republic of Cyprus was expected to sign an accession agreement with the EU, and he hoped that the short deadline would provoke Turkish Cypriots to support the plan since it was feared that their rejection would make the division permanent.

This sentence make no sense to me at all.

Surely, it was to provoke the Greek Cypriots to accept the AP or else the division would become permanent. Surely, by declaring the "trnc" as a state by the TCs in 1983, they were in effect declaring a permanent division.! AP would have secured that position if the TCs said YES along with the GCs.!


Did I miss something in the above quote.??

That sentence doesn't make sense either ,Kikapu...
Did you get it the wrong way around,or have you too caught the history-revisionist bug...

I don't think so, Bir.

By the TCs and the GCs saying YES to the AP, permanent partition would have become a reality. The only reason the partition has not become permanent, is because the GCs said NO to the AP.

The TCs did not need provoking to vote YES, or else the division would become permanent. No, just by the TCs voting YES without provocation, the division would have become permanent. It was the GC that needed provoking to make them believe, that if they said NO to the AP, that the division would become permanent, in the hopes that the GCs would have voted YES, which would have brought the permanent division of Cyprus under the AP, had the GCs fallen for the provoking scam.

That was my point.!

[DT.]

Ladies and gentlemen ......... Just remind u ....... EROGLU invitation to have a dinner with CHRISTOFIAS rejected ....Rejected by Christofias !!!!!



Eroglu send a letter to Christofias inviting him for a meal ahead of the restart of the negotiations but the invitation has been rejected by Christofias. Eroglu said that he extended the invitation to the Greek Cypriot leader to create an opportunity for them to get to know each other better and to warm up the atmosphere ahead of the talks.


He added that the Greek Cypriot Leader – who rejected his invitation for a meal - put forward some different ideas.

Stating that they will get to know each other better in course of the negotiations, the President said “we care about our people’s interests while he cares about those of his own people”.

Mr Eroglu went on to say that it is one of his main duties to claim the TC People’s rights which were gained at the end of a long struggle.

‘I hope we will conclude the negotiations by the end of the year. We are ready to reach a solution which will enable the TC People to live an honorable life .

Christofias simply requested that the UN be present at the dinner.

next time for our meeting i will request UN observers too

Why? to protect those around you while you're eating from shrapnel?

[halil]

Ladies and gentlemen ......... Just remind u ....... EROGLU invitation to have a dinner with CHRISTOFIAS rejected ....Rejected by Christofias !!!!!



Eroglu send a letter to Christofias inviting him for a meal ahead of the restart of the negotiations but the invitation has been rejected by Christofias. Eroglu said that he extended the invitation to the Greek Cypriot leader to create an opportunity for them to get to know each other better and to warm up the atmosphere ahead of the talks.


He added that the Greek Cypriot Leader – who rejected his invitation for a meal - put forward some different ideas.

Stating that they will get to know each other better in course of the negotiations, the President said “we care about our people’s interests while he cares about those of his own people”.

Mr Eroglu went on to say that it is one of his main duties to claim the TC People’s rights which were gained at the end of a long struggle.

‘I hope we will conclude the negotiations by the end of the year. We are ready to reach a solution which will enable the TC People to live an honorable life .

Christofias simply requested that the UN be present at the dinner.

next time for our meeting i will request UN observers too

Why? to protect those around you while you're eating from shrapnel?

U should ask this question for your Muhtari X re.......... than we can follow his suggestions from now on ....every public, social meetings must be follow by UN.....than we can know better eachother....without their shadows we can't breath. This is the new Cypriot way.

[Acikgoz]

I don't think so, Bir.

By the TCs and the GCs saying YES to the AP, permanent partition would have become a reality. The only reason the partition has not become permanent, is because the GCs said NO to the AP.

What nonsense - you are smoking some really weired stuff.

par·ti·tion (pär-tshn)
n.
1.
a. The act or process of dividing something into parts.
b. The state of being so divided.
2.
a. Something that divides or separates, as a wall dividing one room or cubicle from another.
b. A wall, septum, or other separating membrane in an organism.
3. A part or section into which something has been divided.
4. Division of a country into separate, autonomous nations.

AP - Cyprus would not be divided into seperate, autonomous nations, nor a wall dividing. Are you kidding me that you have never read the AP with such comments?
Currently the island is partitioned, and both areas are autonomously functioning. The north does not function fully autonomously as restrictions are enforced upon it from the south, but for 90% of activities one conducts during one's day it is autonomous.
Since when has bi-zonal come off the table by GCs assuming the views of Kiks, Pipi, DT, Paphi are representative?

[Kikapu]

I don't think so, Bir.

By the TCs and the GCs saying YES to the AP, permanent partition would have become a reality. The only reason the partition has not become permanent, is because the GCs said NO to the AP.

What nonsense - you are smoking some really weired stuff.

par·ti·tion (pär-tshn)
n.
1.
a. The act or process of dividing something into parts.
b. The state of being so divided.
2.
a. Something that divides or separates, as a wall dividing one room or cubicle from another.
b. A wall, septum, or other separating membrane in an organism.
3. A part or section into which something has been divided.
4. Division of a country into separate, autonomous nations.

AP - Cyprus would not be divided into seperate, autonomous nations, nor a wall dividing. Are you kidding me that you have never read the AP with such comments?
Currently the island is partitioned, and both areas are autonomously functioning. The north does not function fully autonomously as restrictions are enforced upon it from the south, but for 90% of activities one conducts during one's day it is autonomous.
Since when has bi-zonal come off the table by GCs assuming the views of Kiks, Pipi, DT, Paphi are representative?

Then can you tell me why the RoC had to recognize the existence of the "trnc" 24 hours before the AP can be implemented before the RoC was dissolved. I believe that was one of the stipulations in the AP's 9,000+ pages.?? Once the "trnc" was recognised as being one of the two founding states under the Confederation with a loose Federal government, each state could have voted within to become independent from the other and from the union, in search for their own self determination.!!

[Nikitas]

Kikapu is underlining a vital, for Turkey, part of the Annan plan which was so accepted by Gul, then Foreign Minister, "they would lose their sovereignty" a revealing statement. The dissolution of the RoC is a major foreign policy goal for Turkey but one that cannot be achieved by force.

[BirKibrisli]

Annan outlined the plan in a 138-page document[3] and gave Clerides and Denktaş one week to accept it as a basis for final negotiations. He wanted to submit his plan to twin referenda on March 30, 2004, just before the Republic of Cyprus was expected to sign an accession agreement with the EU, and he hoped that the short deadline would provoke Turkish Cypriots to support the plan since it was feared that their rejection would make the division permanent.

This sentence make no sense to me at all.

Surely, it was to provoke the Greek Cypriots to accept the AP or else the division would become permanent. Surely, by declaring the "trnc" as a state by the TCs in 1983, they were in effect declaring a permanent division.! AP would have secured that position if the TCs said YES along with the GCs.!


Did I miss something in the above quote.??

That sentence doesn't make sense either ,Kikapu...
Did you get it the wrong way around,or have you too caught the history-revisionist bug...

I don't think so, Bir.

By the TCs and the GCs saying YES to the AP, permanent partition would have become a reality. The only reason the partition has not become permanent, is because the GCs said NO to the AP.

The TCs did not need provoking to vote YES, or else the division would become permanent. No, just by the TCs voting YES without provocation, the division would have become permanent. It was the GC that needed provoking to make them believe, that if they said NO to the AP, that the division would become permanent, in the hopes that the GCs would have voted YES, which would have brought the permanent division of Cyprus under the AP, had the GCs fallen for the provoking scam.

That was my point.!

Kikapu,are we on the same wavelength?

AP would have secured that position if the TCs said YES along with the GCs.!

If the enlarged quote above means what you say in the paragraph above "That was my point!",one needs an IQ double what you need to join Mensa to understand it... Have pity on us...We are having trouble following most of the arguments here even when they are written in 3 word sentences...

[Get Real!]

next time for our meeting i will request UN observers too

That's why we bring Grumpy along... doesn't he look like an UN official?

Especially when he puts his hat on!

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu is underlining a vital, for Turkey, part of the Annan plan which was so accepted by Gul, then Foreign Minister, "they would lose their sovereignty" a revealing statement. The dissolution of the RoC is a major foreign policy goal for Turkey but one that cannot be achieved by force.

Nikitas,
Are you saying that the GCs suspected the Annan Plan was a ploy to get the trnc recognised so that they would then vote to join Turkey in an act of self-determination? Vow...With this amount of mistrust we are bonkers to believe there would ever be a solution...

But again,maybe the suspition is natural....After all one expect every one else to behave like they themselves would under the same circumstances...The GCs did sign an agreement back in 1960 with the hidden intention of dishonouring it before the ink was dry...

[Kikapu]

Annan outlined the plan in a 138-page document[3] and gave Clerides and Denktaş one week to accept it as a basis for final negotiations. He wanted to submit his plan to twin referenda on March 30, 2004, just before the Republic of Cyprus was expected to sign an accession agreement with the EU, and he hoped that the short deadline would provoke Turkish Cypriots to support the plan since it was feared that their rejection would make the division permanent.

This sentence make no sense to me at all.

Surely, it was to provoke the Greek Cypriots to accept the AP or else the division would become permanent. Surely, by declaring the "trnc" as a state by the TCs in 1983, they were in effect declaring a permanent division.! AP would have secured that position if the TCs said YES along with the GCs.!


Did I miss something in the above quote.??

That sentence doesn't make sense either ,Kikapu...
Did you get it the wrong way around,or have you too caught the history-revisionist bug...

I don't think so, Bir.

By the TCs and the GCs saying YES to the AP, permanent partition would have become a reality. The only reason the partition has not become permanent, is because the GCs said NO to the AP.

The TCs did not need provoking to vote YES, or else the division would become permanent. No, just by the TCs voting YES without provocation, the division would have become permanent. It was the GC that needed provoking to make them believe, that if they said NO to the AP, that the division would become permanent, in the hopes that the GCs would have voted YES, which would have brought the permanent division of Cyprus under the AP, had the GCs fallen for the provoking scam.

That was my point.!

Kikapu,are we on the same wavelength?

AP would have secured that position if the TCs said YES along with the GCs.!

If the enlarged quote above means what you say in the paragraph above "That was my point!",one needs an IQ double what you need to join Mensa to understand it... Have pity on us...We are having trouble following most of the arguments here even when they are written in 3 word sentences...

But it's so easy.!

"that position" in my statement was referenced to the "permanent partition" comment, so when I said "AP would have secured that position if the TCs said YES along with the GCs.!", I was talking about securing permanent division, thanks to AP if both sides said YES to it..!