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[Nikitas]

Murataga said, and others seem to concur that:

"the removal of Turkey`s guarantorship will never be accepted by the TCs. It is a matter of life and death for us."

The same goes for us, and it includes ALL THREE guarantor powers. But your example of the past problems, when the population was evenly distributed over the whole island, when TCs did not have their ARMED POLICE, when they turly were the weaker side, does not apply under a BBF when the power of the TC community is firmly applied to a defined geographic area of the island. How would the GCs attack the north when the island will be demilitarised and Turkey is in any case 40 miles away and has shown in 1974 what it can do?

Invoking fears of survival is not a one way street. Both sides have a case and you cannot consider only one side's fears.

I would have thought that mutual autonomy and supremacy of each community in its own area would be enough to dispel suspicion and fear.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis a just solution as you call it is one which gives GCs everything they want without any regard for what TCs want only then will you agree to a solution.

I gave you everything a true solution seeking individual would want with all the safeguards, but you refused, because it did not allow you to have a partition when ever you wanted one.!

Give up on your Taksim dreams, and then everything is possible to reach a settlement under True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.!

When you say NO to the above principles for a settlement, you are actually saying YES for Taksim.!:wink:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

We have discussed this many times yet you still insist on flogging a dead horse, your plan is dangerous for TCs as it allows the GCs to take control of the whole country and again push us to one side with no eefective say in our own future.

[YFred]

Piratis a just solution as you call it is one which gives GCs everything they want without any regard for what TCs want only then will you agree to a solution.

I gave you everything a true solution seeking individual would want with all the safeguards, but you refused, because it did not allow you to have a partition when ever you wanted one.!

Give up on your Taksim dreams, and then everything is possible to reach a settlement under True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.!

When you say NO to the above principles for a settlement, you are actually saying YES for Taksim.!:wink:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

We have discussed this many times yet you still insist on flogging a dead horse, your plan is dangerous for TCs as it allows the GCs to take control of the whole country and again push us to one side with no eefective say in our own future.

VP, you just don't understand. Kickapoo gave you everything in his fantastic solution and you did not take it. If you had, it would have been all solved by now.

Do you like chips? take the potatoe of his sholder and furkin fry it will you, you will feed a whole family.

Kickapoo should send his plan to Eroglu and let his team have a look at it. It may come useful one day, they may run out of toilet paper.

In the mean time who has the machinery to catch DTs farts. There is a lot of gas coming from direction.

[BirKibrisli]

An opinion piece on Davutoglu by one of Turkey's most respected journalists,Mehmet Ali Birand can be found here:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2010-05-19

[Murataga]

Murataga said, and others seem to concur that:

"the removal of Turkey`s guarantorship will never be accepted by the TCs. It is a matter of life and death for us."

The same goes for us, and it includes ALL THREE guarantor powers. But your example of the past problems, when the population was evenly distributed over the whole island, when TCs did not have their ARMED POLICE,

I have to stop you there. This is not entirely true. The RoC police force based on the constitution comprised 30% of TCs. During the 1963 events all the TC personnel were laid off by the GC-occupied government and all of their resources were cut-off rendering them practically ineffective to protect even themselves.

when they turly were the weaker side, does not apply under a BBF when the power of the TC community is firmly applied to a defined geographic area of the island. How would the GCs attack the north when the island will be demilitarised and Turkey is in any case 40 miles away and has shown in 1974 what it can do?

RoC was technically demilitarized if you exclude the symbolic forces of Greece and Turkey in Nicosia (of which the Greeks had the greater regiment) and Turkey was still 40 miles away. And how well did these work in preventing the GCs to attack the TC wing?

Invoking fears of survival is not a one way street. Both sides have a case and you cannot consider only one side's fears.

You are welcome to call it whatever you like. To us it is a guarantee of stability and peace. The fact of the matter is it took 3 years for the GC side to trash an agreement giving birth to the RoC and attack the TCs. On the other hand not a single GC has been able to hurt a TC since 1974 in a context similar to the pre-74 era and we are not locked up in enclaves submitting to GC police to wonder out. No GC who observes the green line has been hurt by the Turkish Army. We strongly feel that Turkey`s guarantorship is justified. You are welcomed to uphold Greece`s.

I would have thought that mutual autonomy and supremacy of each community in its own area would be enough to dispel suspicion and fear.

We taught an agreement signed by your leader and that of Greece would be credible enough to go into a successful partnership state with you. We taught that U.N. would protect us from the EOKA-B attacks. We taught that the EU would not turn a blind eye to the genocide in Bosnia.

Simply hoping for the safety and future of the TCs is not an option. Turkey`s guarantorship is a matter of life and death for us.

[Nikitas]

Attacking villages and enclaves scattered in a sea of GCs is different to such hostilities starting between two distinct bizonal bicommunal areas. In the latter case it would be akin to invasion of one are by the other. That should make it clear enough.

[Get Real!]

Turkey`s guarantorship is a matter of life and death for us.

Turkey’s "guarantee" only works IN Turkey as you’ll ultimately discover…

[bigOz]

Turkey`s guarantorship is a matter of life and death for us.

Turkey’s "guarantee" only works IN Turkey as you’ll ultimately discover…

It worked in Cyprus during 1974 did it not? (Goodbye to Nicos Samson and hello democracy for all - erm... maybe in the long run, UNFORTUNATELY, more for Greece and GCs than us!)

[Nikitas]

OZ are you implying that Greeks and GCs left to their own devices can establish democracy and Turkey and the TCs cannot?

[Get Real!]

It worked in Cyprus during 1974 did it not?

One-sided “wars” always work but don’t expect a repeat…