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Re: The real Davutoglu

Postby YFred » Mon May 31, 2010 2:12 pm

insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
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Nikitas wrote:Sveral posters have mentioned the brilliance of Turkish foreign minister Davutoglu and see him as a source of hope due to his enlightened views.

Well these are excerpts from Mr Davutoglu's book, recently translated into Greek, title Strategic Depth.

"Cyprus is a stable base, an air craft carrier able to control the Persian Gulg, the Caspian Sea region and the sea lanes of Aden and Hormuz.... geopolitically and geostrategically Turkey must control Cyprus even if there were not a single Moslem on the island".

"Turkey must be ready to respond with the necessary toughness to anyone who threatens its strateigc objective".

And what are these strategic objectives? In the book Davutoglu describes the future Turkey as an islamic nation, which mobilizes the remnants of Ottomans in Balkan countries towards changes that "cannot exclude any possibility" and proposes a peaceful displacement of Greece in the Aegean.

First we had Taksim and Enosis of the north in Cyprus. Now we see Megali Idea being promoted by the Turkish FM who wants to reinstate Turkish influence in its former imperial colonies. Now, this is a guy that some consider enlightened. Saints preserve us from those that are not!


Don't forget he is Kissinger's pupil. What a ghastly man Davutoglu is....


To add to that, lets hope Cypriots who believe they are Turkish more than Cypriot will read this and realise why Turkey is in Cyprus. Did you think they came to save you? :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're sitting on an air craft carrier! :lol:


... and with Omer's plain logic, flat viewpoint; he wants Cyprus to be someone else's aircraft carrier... such as EU's; thus US's... did/do you think they came/come to save you? :lol: Or all they care about is the rich natural resources of middle east and cacauses? ... and keep dominating/controlling the whole world as they wish? Poor Ömer...

Insan, big fish always its the little fish. The art of survival is to survive without being eaten. We have to find how we may be allowed to live. This idea that we can have what ever we want is just unrealistic and sooner some of our patriots realise it the better.
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Postby YFred » Mon May 31, 2010 2:16 pm

Nikitas wrote:No Syrian ports are not available. But the assumption that they will NEVER be available is not sound strategy.

They will have as much peace in Syria as they do in Saudi. They will never have a heaven as Turkey anywhere else and they know it and value it.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon May 31, 2010 3:24 pm

Remember when Egypt was a soviet satellite and Iran was firmly pro American? Change is always possible and unpredictable.
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Postby YFred » Mon May 31, 2010 4:12 pm

Nikitas wrote:Remember when Egypt was a soviet satellite and Iran was firmly pro American? Change is always possible and unpredictable.

If there were American soldier in Egypt, how safe would they feel walking down downtown Cairo?

I suspect not very?
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Postby EPSILON » Mon May 31, 2010 6:46 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:What year was that book published,Nikitas...?
Those ideas do not match his recent rhetoric about wanting "zero problems with Turkey's neighbours"...He is very highly regarded by influential and sensible Turkish journalists who wouldn't have a bar of his Islamic ambitions... :?


Zero problems after Turkey obtain full economical control of neighbours...Instead of military control now we have economical control.His mistake is that he considers the neighbours countries as stupid as they were in the past-This is his big mistake.A second one -may be worst-is that he guides his governmernment to behave like a government of superpower (IRAN CASE) - this last ma be proved to be the end of what we know today as Turkey.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:16 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:What year was that book published,Nikitas...?
Those ideas do not match his recent rhetoric about wanting "zero problems with Turkey's neighbours"...He is very highly regarded by influential and sensible Turkish journalists who wouldn't have a bar of his Islamic ambitions... :?


Zero problems after Turkey obtain full economical control of neighbours...Instead of military control now we have economical control.His mistake is that he considers the neighbours countries as stupid as they were in the past-This is his big mistake.A second one -may be worst-is that he guides his governmernment to behave like a government of superpower (IRAN CASE) - this last ma be proved to be the end of what we know today as Turkey.


Yeah??? That might also prove the end of Cyprus as we know it! So i wouldn't wish it if I were you...
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:09 pm

This "friendship assault" was tried out by the late Turgut Ozal who also had visions of Turkey as a major regional economic power. The idea is not by itself bad, it just happens to conflict with the plans of other, more powerful and richer nations. Unfortunately neither Turkey, nor any other nation in the neighborhood (except Israel) has developed its own technological and research base. We all are chasing "foreign investment" like starving dogs and think the attraction of some foreign money is a major coup.

At the moment Turkey is leading this race of "foreign investment" attraction. When these "investors"leave it will be back to square one. The good idea would have been to develop our own industrial capacity based on our own ingenuity and needs, but so far I do not see any nation doing this, we all mindlessly ape some foreign model.

A real visionary will be the one who can see the real possibilities of the area, and so far Davutoglu is not proving to be such a figure.
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