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[erolz]

Anyone appointed you the cheer leader of the forum?

Or appointed you perhaps?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ogic#10055

[bg_turk]

MicAtCyp,

bg_turk let me ask you a question and please answer honestly:

If someone offers the choice to FYROM people tomorrow to Unite with Greece, would they jump up from joy and happiness yes or no?

Given my conversation with the few macedonians, who consider all surrounding countries to be abusive and expansionist, especially Greece, the idea of joining greece would be interpreted in the same way as if someone asked the FHROC* people whether they wanted to join Turkey.
Remember that Greece has etnically cleansed Macedonians out of their homeland. But of course there are always those who would sell their kind for better living conditions, but I am afraid the majority of macedonians would not.

*Former Hellenic Republic of Cyprus

[gabaston]

Here is a list with the countries of the world from the UN site:

yeah right..... no doubt iraq is one of them.....................marvellous im impressed.

hmmm now its two lines.

[bg_turk]

MicAtCyp,

Oh and by the way which is YOUR OWN COUNTRY that you keep on repeating us in this forum all the time?
And since when is that?

Is this question directed at me?
If so I am a citizen of Bulgaia since my birth. I hold no other citizenship.

From MicAtCyp:No it was directed to Viewpoint

[garbitsch]

bg_turk,

"TRNC" is an illegal pseudo state. This is a fact not an opinion.
Go have a look at the UN resolutions that clearly state that "TRNC" is illegal and invalid.

Here is a list with the countries of the world from the UN site:

http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html

There you will find no "TRNC" and you will also find the "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".

I don't see "Taiwan" either. This doesn't mean that there is no state called "Taiwan" (formally Republic of China). We all know how this game of politics is played. Besides, I see Somalia, but the only internationally recognised Somali government doesn't even have an authority in the capital Mogadishu, not to mention the other 3 independent administrations (Somaliland, Puntland, South West Somalia). As someone said in this forum, I see the name of "Iraq" and we all know how legitimate the current Iraqi government is!

[bg_turk]

MicAtCyp,

bg_turk let me ask you a question and please answer honestly:

If someone offers the choice to FYROM people tomorrow to Unite with Greece, would they jump up from joy and happiness yes or no?

with the risk of going off-topic and off-forum again I am going to paste a copy of the statement of an eyewitness to the greek invasion of macedonia.

ANASTASIA PAVLOVA, a widow of Ghevgheli.

Shortly before the outbreak of the second [Balkan] war I was staying with my daughter, a school teacher, in the village of Boinitsa. A Greek lady came from Salonica and distributed money and uniforms to the Turks of the place some six or eight days before the outbreak of the second war. She also called the Bulgarians [Macedonian parishioners of the Exarchate Church] of the village together, and told them that they must not imagine that this village would belong to Bulgaria. She summoned the Bulgarian priest [Exarchate priest], and asked him if he would become a Greek. He replied "we are all Bulgarians [Macedonians belonging to the Exarchate Church] and Bulgarians [Macedonians belonging to the Exarchate Church] we will remain." There were some Greek officers with this lady who caught the priest by the beard. Then the men who were standing by, to the number of about fifty, had their hands bound behind their backs, and were beaten by the soldiers. They were told that they must sign a written statement that they would become Greeks. When they refused to do this they were all taken to Salonica. When the men were gone, the soldiers began to violate the women of the place, three soldiers usually to one girl. [She named several cases which she witnessed.] The soldiers came in due course to my house and asked where my daughter was. I said she was ill and had to gone to Ghevgheli. They insisted that I should bring her to them. The Greek teacher of the village, Christo Poparov, who was with the soldiers, was the most offensive of them all.

They threatened to kill me if I would not produce her. The soldiers then came into the room and beat me with the butts of their rifles and I fell. "Now," they said, "you belong to the Greeks, your house and everything in it," and they sacked the house. Then sixteen soldiers came and again called for my daughter, and since they could not find her they used me instead. I was imprisoned in my own house and never left alone. Four days before the war I was allowed to go to Ghevgheli by rail with two soldiers to fetch my daughter. She was really in the village of Djavato. At Ghevgheli, the soldiers gave me permission to go alone to the village to fetch her. Outside the village I met five Greek soldiers, who greeted me civilly and asked for the news. Suddenly they fired a rifle and called out, "Stop, old woman." They then fired six shots to frighten me. I hurried on and got into the village just before the soldiers. They bound my hands, began to beat me, undressed me, and flung me down on the ground. Some Servian soldiers were in the village and interfered with the Greeks and saved my life. My daughter was hidden in the village and she saw what was happening to me and came running out to give herself up, in order to save her mother. She made a speech to the soldiers and said, "Brothers, when we have worked so long together as allies, why do you kill my mother?" The soldiers only answered, that they would kill her too. I then showed them the passport which had been given to me at Boinitsa. I can not read Greek and did not know what was on it. It seems that what was written there was "This is a mother who is to go and find her daughter and bring her back to us." The Greek soldiers then saw that it was my daughter, and not I, who was wanted and my daughter cried, "Now I am lost." The soldiers offered me the choice of staying in the village or going with my daughter to Ghevgheli. I begged that they would leave us alone together where we were until the morning, and to this they agreed. In the night I fled with my daughter, who disguised herself in boy's clothes, to a place two hours away which was occupied by Bulgarian soldiers. I then went myself to Ghevgheli and immediately afterwards, the second war broke out. The Bulgarians took the town and then retired from it, and the Greeks entered it. The moment they came in they began killing people indiscriminately in the street. One man named Anton Bakharji was killed before my eyes. I also saw a Greek woman named Helena kill a rich Bulgarian [Macedonian belonging to the Exarchate Church] named Hadji Tano, with her revolver. Another, whose name I do not know, was wounded by a soldier. A panic followed in the town and a general flight. Outside the town I met a number of Greek soldiers who had with them sixteen Bulgarian [Macedonian belonging to the Exarchate Church] girls as their prisoners. All of them were crying, several of them were undressed, and some were covered in blood. The soldiers were so much occupied with these girls that they did not interfere with us, and allowed us to flee past them. As we crossed the bridge over the Vardar, we saw little children who had been abandoned and one girl lying as if dead on the ground. The cavalry were coming up behind us. There was no time to help. A long way off a battle was going on and we could hear the cannon, but nobody fired upon us. For eight days we fled to Bulgaria and many died on the way. The Bulgarian soldiers gave us bread. I found my daughter at Samakov. My one consolation is that I saved her honor. (Page 304, 305)

This is in a report by a commision set up by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to investigate the war crimes. I just wanted to add this to show that slavs view you in the same way you view turks. They would never accept to live in one country with you.

[erolz]

Here is a list with the countries of the world from the UN site:

yeah right..... no doubt iraq is one of them.....................marvellous im impressed.

hmmm now its two lines.

btw this is a list of members of the UN not a list of countries of the world. They are not the same thing.

[cypezokyli]

my friend bg_turk

u r indeed out of topic.
as i happen to meet a number of bulgarians i would say that u express their views only half way. imo the bgs learn at school to hate greeks and turks equally (we learn to hate the turks, and the turks i dont have a clue) from what i understood they hate the greeks for being treacherous and the turks for being barbarians.
a typical example that ive heard was when the bgs tried to get their religious books translated to bulgarian. that would mean that the greek orthodox church would loose the control over them(and their money ofcource). so what the greeks did was to "nail" them to the turks and let the turks do the dirty job

as for the expansionist greece. u r reffering to a period were winning a war meant winning land.at the time it was a norm. all balkan countries tried to take advantage of the declining ottoman empire and the greeks were the most mean/clever in making and braking agreements. since their defeat in 1922 they lead no more "expansionists" wars as u call them. and that was the end of the megali idea. now it appears only in ntionalist organisations.
(by the way do u consider the bulgarian wars against the ottoman empire as expansionist wars or wars for freedom?)

as for the attrocities against the slavs... ofcource they took place. that was the easiest the fastest and the most effective way to create a nation-state. and in that, greece and turkey do have a lot in common.

enough of the history of greece turkey and bg.

welcome to 2005 cyprus forum

[MicAtCyp]

Or appointed you perhaps?

Quite hurt ha? Is this what I mostly do??

[erolz]

Quite hurt ha?

?

Is this what I mostly do??

Is it what VP mostly does ?

Anyway this is way off topic.