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Postby fi » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:06 am

To bg_turk,

I'm sorry to say that you are very badly informed, the GC did not kick the TC out of their homes neither did the TC out of GC homes, Turkey did all that. Why aren't the TC correcting you???
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Postby fi » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:12 am

For E.U.

The E.U. does not have executive power over the states.
Also the ratios were not of course decided by the GC!! :lol:
That is how the E.U. works and note that you enter the E.U. voluntarily.

So it's like comparing apples and pears here.


Last note has the ROC used it's veto power? Will it use it? I think it has been very prudent so far and has kept a very matture attitude.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:12 am

hi fi,

I think TC aren't correcting me,
because exploitng the fact that turkey is kickin GC from the north, GC massively kicked TC from their houses in the south. And the houses of these TC refugees are now illegally occupied by GCs.

Otherwise I can see no reason why TC living in the democratic RoC chose to leave their homes and stay under isolation and occupation from Turkey?
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Postby fi » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:16 am

Hello bg_turk,
you are wrong!!! The GC did not kick the TC from their houses! please read the literature.

Also the GC do not exploit the TC properties, there is actually a board taking care of the TC until they come back.
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Postby erolz » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:16 am

fi wrote:To bg_turk,

I'm sorry to say that you are very badly informed, the GC did not kick the TC out of their homes neither did the TC out of GC homes, Turkey did all that. Why aren't the TC correcting you???


Again I would refer you to the cyprus conflict website here

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Patrick-chp%203.htm

and here is a very brief extract

"The author's investigations reveal that the overwhelming majority of Turk-Cypriot refugees moved only after Turk-Cypriots had been killed, abducted or harrassed by Greek-Cypriots within their village, quarter, or in the local vicinity. "

I could also refer to and reproduce numerous newspaper reports from around the world in the period 63-64 that desribe and document GC violence being used against TC with the result of driving TC from their homes but will for the moment refrain from doing so.

To say that GC did not kick TC out of their homes is just not true unfortunately :(
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:27 am

To say that GC did not kick TC out of their homes is just not true unfortunately


What a bunch of crap. Turkey invaded and the TCs rushed to the north to achieve their dream of many decades: partition.

When Turkey was invading the TC leaders were already informed and were helping Turkey to occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus so they could steal our lands.

Violence against TCs, that of course happened after Turkey started the invasion as a retaliation, was just in some villages.

Soon the TCs are going to tell us that we wanted partition too and that what happened was exchange of population!!!
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Postby fi » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:28 am

bg_turk was saying that because in 74 Turkey was doing what it was doing the GC were kicking the TC out, which is absolutely not true.

As for the other part, one side says that the other says, with many newspaper reports etc. that Turkish officials encouraged the TC to move into enclaves in an effort to maintain a fighting force and prepare the ground for invasion.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:38 am

but then why did TC leave?

Why did they choose to live in isolation and poverty, instead of staying in their houses in the relatively richer and more "democratic" RoC? Did Turkey pursuade them to leave?
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:57 am

but then why did TC leave?

Why did they choose to live in isolation and poverty, instead of staying in their houses in the relatively richer and more "democratic" RoC? Did Turkey pursuade them to leave?


They left so they could grab twice as much as they left behind. They are the 18% and they grabbed twice as much.

And do you think they choose to live in isolation? If this is their choice then why are they trying to get "direct trade" now?
The fact is that they were hopping that after some time they would manage to legalize the results of the invasion and gain on our loss even more. They are still hoping for this.

If they were told clearly by UN/US that it is either RoC 1960 agreements or isolation forever then believe me, they would not choose isolation.
Of course this will not happen because US is on their side and they are patiently waiting for the time that they will gain even more on our loss. (which will guarantee that the circle of blood will continue)
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:16 am

So you are saying that TC left their ancestral homes in the South voluntarily under no threat?
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