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[Acikgoz]

All I know is that Erdogan is trying to bring the military under state control, which is what Ergenekon is all about...
I'd never even heard of NAVTEX - interesting will look it up.

Out of curiosity, in the bigger picture, how much do these mini-military issues matter? I'd go with higher standard of living any day, progress there is what I would say is really important. It's like these things are just a public feel good p***s size competition with no winner. Sorry to be base, just that it does strike me as politics/military (whichever) catering to the lowest common denominator.

[Acikgoz]

Googled NAVTEX 100/10 but couldn't see anything I could make sense of except NAVTEX is a telex system used for ships.... Anywhere you'd recommend interesting reading on how it is impacting Turkish/Greek island issues?
Genuinely curious.

[denizaksulu]

Interesting piece in Cyprus Mail.


Our View: Greco-Turkish ties moving ahead without Cyprus
TURKEY’S Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu called Tayyip Erdogan’s two-day visit to Greece a ‘revolution’. Commentators were quick to point out that there was an element of hyperbole in this, but even if the visit cannot be described as a ‘revolution’ it is certainly ground-breaking.
Never before has such a big Turkish delegation -10 minister and some 100 businessmen - visited Athens and never before has there been such a broad and far-reaching agenda. Many months of preparatory work between the technocrats of the two countries has gone into the visit, which is seen by both as a first step in new efforts to improve relations and co-operation.
Ten agreements promoting bilateral co-operation were to be signed, covering energy, investments, tourism and the environment. More importantly both sides are keen to reach some form of agreement on cuts in defence spending which takes a large share of their respective annual budgets. Putting relations on a new basis that promoted co-operation and built trust would facilitate the deal on defence cuts, which could be described as a ‘revolution’ without a hint of exaggeration.
The establishment of the Supreme Council of Co-operation, which met for the first time yesterday under the joint chairmanship of Erdogan and George Papandreou, would be looking at way of improving co-operation. Turkey has already set up a similar council with Russia and Syria and it is part of Davutoglu dogma for ‘zero problems with neighbours’. Regarding the visit, Davutoglu said that Turkey’s objective was not just the ‘minimisation of tension, but also the maximisation of fields of co-operation so that the logic of tension does not develop on either side.’
The Greek side was more restrained in its public rhetoric, and many commentators have sounded a note of caution, but actions speak lower than words and the elaborate preparations undertaken by Athens is an indication of how much the Papandreou government is investing in the proposed co-operation. A new climate and new era of co-operation between the old foes is a welcome development that would benefit the people of both countries.
Unfortunately, in Cyprus we remain in denial about the new Turkish thinking, politicians and analysts all insisting that nothing of substance has changed. They all dismiss Turkey’s initiatives as a communications game which is a grossly simplistic explanation of what is going on. President Christofias also adopts this view. While he expressed the wish that Greek-Turkish relations would improve, he said there could be real improvement only when the Cyprus problem was solved.
It may be true that a solution would help, but Erdogan’s visit has shown that neither Greece nor Turkey is prepared to wait for the two sides in Cyprus to reach a deal, in order to put bilateral relations on a sound basis. And they are quite right in moving ahead regardless of Cyprus, the politicians of which are incapable of accepting that times have changed.

I am reminded of the 'ANSLUSCH'Aut/Allemagna

[B25]

Out of curiosity, in the bigger picture, how much do these mini-military issues matter?

Why don't you do it to israel, or the UK or any other country??

Bacause you just know you will get shot down. Of course it matters, it is a violation of a countrys sovereign rights thats what matters.

I know you are not that dumb, but come on FFS.

[Acikgoz]

You thick idiot. What happened just yesterday between Iran, Turkey and Brazil?

That's was snub to both the US and Israel.

Militarily what borders are in dispute between Turkey Israel and the UK?

Anyway what do I care, this is sooo off the point.

[B25]

You thick idiot. What happened just yesterday between Iran, Turkey and Brazil?

That's was snub to both the US and Israel.

Militarily what borders are in dispute between Turkey Israel and the UK?

Anyway what do I care, this is sooo off the point.

Het arsehole, you are the one that asked, "what do these mini military invasions matter?"


They matter a great deal, turkey is just a bully, knowing that it wont get attacked back. My point was she wouldn't dare to do it to Israel. Don't worry your motherland is doing us all a favour, soon the big boys will want to be our friends

[Get Real!]

Our View: Greco-Turkish ties moving ahead without Cyprus

The Greco-Turkish relation has NEVER been affected by Cyprus ever since Greece attempted to overthrow the government of Cyprus and paved the way for the Turkish invasion/occupation in 1974.

Anyone who thinks that Greece ever cared about Cyprus had better come up with a good explanation why she ruined Cyprus in the first place!

Greece’s only gripe has always been her stupid rocks lying around the Turkish shore. Had Greece been a responsible and guilt-ridden country she would’ve offered her shitty rocks to Turkey in return for a liberated Cyprus but alas...

[Acikgoz]

Mini-military issues I said. I thought the bigger picture of closer cooperation which leads to more trust and reduces the need for expensive paranoia toys for the boys was more interesting.

[Nikitas]

NAVTEX is the marine equivalen of an aviation NOTAM notice to airmen. Through this ploy Turkey has unilaterally assumed anti terror patrols in the whole of the Aegean since February. It was a cynical and insulting move against her neighbors, not only Greece but also Syria is affected. By this ploy the Turkish navy is patrolling close to the shores of these countries "looking for terrorist" and conceivably Turkish ships can stop and ask a Greek passenger ferry moving between Greek ports to stop and be searched.

A parliamentary question re the NAVTEX was tabled in the Greek parliament last week, not by the right wing, but by the Eurocommunist party which is the most critical of military spending and the military in general. The move shows how even the traditionally pro detente left is reacting.

[Murataga]

NAVTEX is the marine equivalen of an aviation NOTAM notice to airmen. Through this ploy Turkey has unilaterally assumed anti terror patrols in the whole of the Aegean since February. It was a cynical and insulting move against her neighbors, not only Greece but also Syria is affected. By this ploy the Turkish navy is patrolling close to the shores of these countries "looking for terrorist" and conceivably Turkish ships can stop and ask a Greek passenger ferry moving between Greek ports to stop and be searched.

A parliamentary question re the NAVTEX was tabled in the Greek parliament last week, not by the right wing, but by the Eurocommunist party which is the most critical of military spending and the military in general. The move shows how even the traditionally pro detente left is reacting.

Still waiting for you to send a link on your 'Yavuz debacle'...