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Postby Oracle » Sun May 16, 2010 2:49 pm

Gasman wrote:
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"Heaven cannot brook two suns, nor earth two masters"

Oracle, interesting how you have a quote by Alexander of Macedonia at the bottom of your messages- one of the greatest known expansionists of all time. Look at the quote and what that means to TCs, and deem yourself a valid critique on the concept of expansionism.For a Greek it is admirable quality then eh, worthy of respecting its perpetrator.

You hypocrite. Aboslute hypocrite.


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There's a time and a place for everything. And Turkey's Expansionist policies are Anachronistic! As are its Apartheid policies.


So it's OK if it was long ago or whatever - as long as it was done by someone you admire, but not if it was the Ottomans or Turks doing it?

Hypocrisy at its best.


Who said anything about OK? Unless you have some way of changing the past there's nothing we can do about the processes which shaped civilisation to it's present state!

For example, no one condemns Britain for the slave trade because it has ceased this practice (and has apologised).

The objection is with those who repeat unacceptable behaviours or continue them. Such as expansionism, enslavement and racist discrimination. All practiced by Turkey in Cyprus to this day!
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Postby Gasman » Sun May 16, 2010 3:06 pm

there's nothing we can do about the processes which shaped civilisation to it's present state!


Apart from go on and on and on about them - going back thousands of years - where the Ottomans are concerned (it seems).

You have to admit it was a bit of a gaffe to use a quote from someone whose 'tireless vigour' for expansion is so renowned - at the bottom of a post complaining about expansionism!

Ooops!
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Postby Oracle » Sun May 16, 2010 3:29 pm

Gasman wrote:
there's nothing we can do about the processes which shaped civilisation to it's present state!


Apart from go on and on and on about them - going back thousands of years - where the Ottomans are concerned (it seems).

You have to admit it was a bit of a gaffe to use a quote from someone whose 'tireless vigour' for expansion is so renowned - at the bottom of a post complaining about expansionism!

Ooops!


I don't have to ask for your approval on which historical figures I quote. Alexander the Great is revered by some of today's most esteemed scholars. Hence your inability to grasp the difference between historical context and that of expansionism, enslavement and racist discrimination as practiced by Turkey in Cyprus in the present!
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Postby CopperLine » Sun May 16, 2010 3:35 pm

....Alexander the Great is revered by some of today's most esteemed scholars. Hence your inability to grasp the difference ....


Another fantastically daft non sequitur to add to Oracle's unrivalled long list of sillinesses
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Postby Acikgoz » Sun May 16, 2010 4:35 pm

Beyond the respect inherently demonstrated for an expansionist, and the incredibly poor argument justifying the hypocritical quotation, the implication of the words themselves are hugely against the pluralistic solution generally deemed necessary for a long lasting prosperous peaceful solution.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun May 16, 2010 4:52 pm

Only boomers can compare apples and oranges and decides that pears are the way to go.... :lol: :lol:

But if you must compare the two situation,try comparing the respective leaders...In South Afrika they had Nelson mandela and Desmond Tutu...In Cyprus we had Makarios,Yordgadjis, and Papadopoulos....I rest my case... :wink: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sun May 16, 2010 4:55 pm

CopperLine wrote:
....Alexander the Great is revered by some of today's most esteemed scholars. Hence your inability to grasp the difference ....


Another fantastically daft non sequitur to add to Oracle's unrivalled long list of sillinesses


So long as Gasman has you supporting her as an "esteemed scholar", what more could she ask for? :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sun May 16, 2010 5:00 pm

So far, the only defence the Turks propose for continuing today's Expansionist and Apartheid policies is that some people, in the long distant past, expanded their territories -- At least Alexander the Great initiated his empire from the necessity to halt the forays of the Persians. To top it all, the Turks manage to ignore Alexander's great speech about observing equality in Mankind.
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Postby Gasman » Sun May 16, 2010 6:47 pm

I don't have to ask for your approval on which historical figures I quote.


Perhaps you'd like to point out where I said you did need to? You are very fond of doing that sort of thing - so that anyone reading from YOUR posts onwards could be forgiven for thinking what you said had substance. In the same way you are very fond of framing personal INSULTS as QUESTIONS.

Still, I suppose I will provide a handy diversion for you to cling onto while you hope your latest monumental gaffe will disappear off the page and be forgotten!
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Postby DT. » Sun May 16, 2010 7:08 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Only boomers can compare apples and oranges and decides that pears are the way to go.... :lol: :lol:

But if you must compare the two situation,try comparing the respective leaders...In South Afrika they had Nelson mandela and Desmond Tutu...In Cyprus we had Makarios,Yordgadjis, and Papadopoulos....I rest my case... :wink: :lol:


Nothing like the nobel peace prize winners such as Denktash, Eroglu and the rest of the looney toons in the occupied areas to really put us to shame. :lol:
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