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[Gasman]

Someone please define 'NATIVE INHABITANT' for me?

With particular regard to when the phrase is being used by an 'official' British Citizen.

[Bananiot]

Hatter

No Bananiot, I am addressing the question to you because you are propounding this claim at this forum. If that is all you got, that "Verheugen said so", then I rest my case. Either put up or shut up. This myth has been debunked in an older thread:-

So you want me to shut up now. That is very interesting coming from a self proclaimed democrat.

Have you read any books on the period 2003-2004 Hatter? Are you aware of the fact that Verheugen visited Cyprus on June 17 2003 and that President Papadopoulos, speaking during the official dinner in honour of Verheugen, said that the people of Cyprus have deep respect for Verheugen, because for a number of years he takes the correct stand on the Cyprob? He also stressed, that "without exaggeration, Verheugen has been the most important person that has led the accession talks to a happy end". Verheugen spent endless hours talking o Denktash and Turkey and he managed to get Denktash enraged and was called "nazi" by Denktash.

Are you aware Hatter that Verheugen never kept secret his ideas on the Cyprob and he often said that the Annan Plan has opened a window and that there was no other option? Verheugen had a number of meetings with Papadopoulos during this period and Papadopoulos never disagreed with him. On another occasion, when Verheugen visited Cyprus, just before the talks started, he noted that he had a very short meeting with Papadopoulos, because they "agree on everything and that they had nothing to debate".

Verheugen was shocked when he read what Papadopoulos had to say to the GC's when he addressed the people a few days before the referenda. Verheugen spoke at the European Parliament and expressed his horror at the attempt of the RoC government to reject the plan.

Verheugen considered that he was deceived because the RoC government pretended that it wanted solution in order to get its accession to the exclusive club, and once the objective was reached, it went back on its promises.

[Get Real!]

I think you should address this question to former European Commissioner Günter Verheugen who went public to accuse Papadopoulos that he deceived Europe. Probably Costas Simitis can also give you a good answer, for he engineered the accession of Cyprus with Vasiliou and Klerides, with the Cyprob unsolved.

Are you implying that the purported “democratic referendum” of 2004 was NOT democratic at all, but was "fixed" by the likes of Verheugen, Simitis, Vasiliou, Clerides and others, the first two of which later went public to complain that the negative referendum result wasn’t part of the “deal”?

[Gasman]

GR! Behave yourself! lol!

[YFred]

I think you should address this question to former European Commissioner Günter Verheugen who went public to accuse Papadopoulos that he deceived Europe. Probably Costas Simitis can also give you a good answer, for he engineered the accession of Cyprus with Vasiliou and Klerides, with the Cyprob unsolved.

Are you implying that the purported “democratic referendum” of 2004 was NOT democratic at all, but was "fixed" by the likes of Verheugen, Simitis, Vasiliou, Clerides and others, the first two of which later went public to complain that the negative referendum result wasn’t part of the “deal”?

No, how about holding a fair vote where the election is fair. Try that just one in your lives. It will be an experience. Instead of the whole media taking one side and the president crying on TV for weeks and the pro loby given just seconds.

GR get a furkin life and don't be a cuntus bastardus all your life.

[Get Real!]

I think you should address this question to former European Commissioner Günter Verheugen who went public to accuse Papadopoulos that he deceived Europe. Probably Costas Simitis can also give you a good answer, for he engineered the accession of Cyprus with Vasiliou and Klerides, with the Cyprob unsolved.

Are you implying that the purported “democratic referendum” of 2004 was NOT democratic at all, but was "fixed" by the likes of Verheugen, Simitis, Vasiliou, Clerides and others, the first two of which later went public to complain that the negative referendum result wasn’t part of the “deal”?

No, how about holding a fair vote where the election is fair. Try that just one in your lives. It will be an experience. Instead of the whole media taking one side and the president crying on TV for weeks and the pro loby given just seconds.

GR get a furkin life and don't be a cuntus bastardus all your life.

The referendum WAS fair Y-Fronts, so feel free to prove the opposite with credible evidence.

A president is allowed to cry for years leading up to a referendum btw, so I hope you come up with something worthwhile...

[Hatter]

Hatter

No Bananiot, I am addressing the question to you because you are propounding this claim at this forum. If that is all you got, that "Verheugen said so", then I rest my case. Either put up or shut up. This myth has been debunked in an older thread:-

So you want me to shut up now. That is very interesting coming from a self proclaimed democrat.

Have you read any books on the period 2003-2004 Hatter? Are you aware of the fact that Verheugen visited Cyprus on June 17 2003 and that President Papadopoulos, speaking during the official dinner in honour of Verheugen, said that the people of Cyprus have deep respect for Verheugen, because for a number of years he takes the correct stand on the Cyprob? He also stressed, that "without exaggeration, Verheugen has been the most important person that has led the accession talks to a happy end". Verheugen spent endless hours talking o Denktash and Turkey and he managed to get Denktash enraged and was called "nazi" by Denktash.

Are you aware Hatter that Verheugen never kept secret his ideas on the Cyprob and he often said that the Annan Plan has opened a window and that there was no other option? Verheugen had a number of meetings with Papadopoulos during this period and Papadopoulos never disagreed with him. On another occasion, when Verheugen visited Cyprus, just before the talks started, he noted that he had a very short meeting with Papadopoulos, because they "agree on everything and that they had nothing to debate".

Verheugen was shocked when he read what Papadopoulos had to say to the GC's when he addressed the people a few days before the referenda. Verheugen spoke at the European Parliament and expressed his horror at the attempt of the RoC government to reject the plan.

Verheugen considered that he was deceived because the RoC government pretended that it wanted solution in order to get its accession to the exclusive club, and once the objective was reached, it went back on its promises.

You deliberately distort what I said. "Either put up or shut up" is a figure of speech, which you know full well is a challenge to you to substantiate your claims, rather than patronisingly evading the question and referring us to "go ask Verheugen". So don't insinuate doubts about who is democratically minded, when you continue to dismiss the democratic decision of the cypriots to reject the AP, just because you and a sad minority of 24% wanted to accept it.

You still haven't told us what false promise was made to Verheugen.
And to boot, you are propounding another myth, that the RoC government did not want a solution - its about time that you come off this "if you don't agree with the solution I want then you don't want a solution", it just doen't wash.

Which period do you refer to? The decision for cyprus to joion the EU was already taken at the level of EU heads of government and it was the conclusion of a process that started years previously. At no point was the process predicated on the outcome of the AP referendum.

"Just before the talks started" I suppose must mean just before Burgenstock. A lot of water went under the bridge between that time and the end of the Burgenstock tallks.

I said as much in a previous thread on this forum, the link to which you omitted in the Quote box.

[Oracle]

... because the RoC government pretended that it wanted solution

How sad that you still deem it worthwhile to reside in Cyprus under the RoC! Why not move over to the "honest" north?

[boomerang]

Blair was a lawyer and her position was clear to the public, unlike the supposedly neutral MPs - damn politicians.

Personally I don't like statues of persons of power - normally someone suffered for them to be there - too partisan a concept. However the Musee de Rodin in Paris, that's art.

Ahhhhh...Musee de Rodin....I remember it well.....Don't expect boomers to appreciate fine arts,Acikgoz...He is a beer and footy type of Aussie guy!

What a poof!

Australia must be so awful for you! You should leave immediately.

Oh I forgot about the other beer and footy type who thinks getting drunk on beer and screaming his head off at a footy game is the ultimate in sophistication...He want so much to be accepted by those like minded Aussies who really consider him a stinking wog...

you left out peanut throwing at monkeys...catch...

but you haven't tolds us how it feels being a wog amongst 1 million turks in your own birth "country"...where peanut throwing at the outnumbered "locals" fast becoming wogs is a national sport...?...

[DT.]

Your second question: He was Foreign Minister of the RoC and an MP for many years. He is respected abroad and when he speaks people listened. He has a European outlook and Europeans take him for serious. Your bit about Rolandis writing for a trnc paper is pathetic and does not deserve an answer.

Lilikas was also a foreign minister of the ROC and Syllouris is an MP....next point?

Are you serious about this lunatic? This is the person that felt the centre of the earth (cyprus) was strong enough to get him elected as Secretary General of the UN!!! Between this guy and Mikkelides re Bananiot....you really pick the loons to make your case