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[DT.]

Rolandis is a very well respected politician among the level-headed Greek Cypriots. He stands firmly on the ground and for this he is hated by morons of the patriotic type who cannot stand anyone telling even simple truths. That is why most of the responses to his words of wisdom were of the type "he is a no good defeatist who wants to sell Cyprus off". Hardly did they touch the essence of what he said, with the exception of kikapu, who thinks that the EU will allow tiny Cyprus to block Turkey's accession, should the time comes for Turkey to join this club,which the RoC managed to enter by making false promises.

WHat promises are you on about?

And prey tell who are these level headed Greek Cypriots that repsect Rolandis?

What has the man done for this island apart for write for a paper that is sponsored by the "trnc" foreign ministry.

You should hear what Sener Levent has to say about Rolandis but then again, he's not a level headed Cypriot as far as you're concerned is he? He aims too high.

[Viewpoint]

Bir these people will never have a balanced view how can they? we cannot expect them change thats why we have not been able to find a solution and the likelihood is we never will.

No need to be sad, each will go their merry way good or bad we have been divided for 36 years proof that this route is the only real option we have and dont forget we reep what we sow. I would rather the current situation to carry on than be forced into a bad union I do not want.

[charlie brown]

[quote="BirKibrisli"][quote="Viewpoint"]Bir these people will never have a balanced view how can they? we cannot expect them change thats why we have not been able to find a solution and the likelihood is we never will.[/quote]

[/quote]Rather partition for another 30 years then live cheek by jaw with people we cant trust. Monguls. Land thives. Rapists .and Murderes.

[Acikgoz]

Bir these people will never have a balanced view how can they? we cannot expect them change thats why we have not been able to find a solution and the likelihood is we never will.

Rather partition for another 30 years then live cheek by jaw with people we cant trust. Monguls. Land thives. Rapists .and Murderes.

Deep CB deep. So for the record, we'll need to place you in the partitionist camp.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, it seems thst the people who linve in Cyprus' north feel comfortable with troops they have no authority over. Cypriots in the south have no reason to believe that their security is guaranteed with this army's presence. naturally we assume that things willstay the same, however it is not to be forgotten that in both populations there are extremes who will provoke a reaction which regretablly will leave innocent victims to suffer most badly.

we have seen the discipline of Turkish armed forces, more importantly we have seen their leaders dismiss the need for their improvement. it is a matter of time indeed, and a movement to partition with arbitrary deadlines promotes a repeat of the tragedy "Greeks" and "Turks" play here.

vp, you speak of the obligations of "Greeks" being a "Turk" you are no different. you talk of trust, i talk of overcoming a reaction of fear which resists any change.

cb there is no difference between any compromise that can be foisted on Cypriots and partition, keep your pecker up, Rights are Rights, nothing less than the Universal Principals all people share can be the result of this struggle.

[MrH]

ORACLE Wrote:
We are not to be trusted?

Because we are the native inhabitants of the island who raise an objection to your invasion, perhaps?


Hi Oracle,
Long time no write! Well, I just had to comment on your words above regarding "Native Inhabitants", and not perhaps the Greeks brought from Greece over the last 100 years. Years, I agree a fair few are Greek-Cypriot, but many Greeks from Greece were brought to Cyprus quietly over the years - don't think we don't know.

And, as for the so-called "Invasion" remark, please read the Cyprus section in the CIA Fact Book online which refers to "Intevention" and NOT "Invasion". The first invaders on 15th of July 1974, the 15'000 plus EOKA-B milita were actually from Greece. Turkey's initial intention to restore constitutional order was soon to change after witnessing the Hundreds of Turkish Cypriots buried alive across the island. It was WE, The Turkish Cypriot who WANT Turkey to stay, please do not forget that. Even one of your Greek Cypriots could not bare your lies and had to make a Documentary about the mass Genocide against the TCs, where he was obviously threatened to the extent that he's moved to the TRNC.

If your 40 year lies meant anything tangiable, Christofias would never have felt compelled to base his ENTIRE Election campaign on gaining "International Crediability" after Tassos Papadopoulos disgracefully tarnished the Greek Cypriot's 40 year lie campaign. He would also not feel compelled to have to sit around a table in front of Dr Eroglu, or submit his NON-Candidancy in the next GC-ROC presidential elections SO EARLY.

Face the music Oracle, the Cyprus Problem as it's referred to is so to be a matter for those historical CDs which contain pointless, and out dated information for their GCSE exams! Like with the former Yugoslavian Federal Republic, the Dual Serbia/Montenegro marriage and the Former Czechoslovakia, the Island of Cyprus' issue in the eyes of the EU will soon be History.

I've recently visited Southern Cyprus twice covering two major reports for the EU and can confidently say that the EU Com/Parliament members, NOT the Council, have a very, very different view of Cyprus affairs than what the Greek Cypriots believe.

My BEST wishes to you My dear,

Love MrH.

* Sorry for the Typo mistakes in the above, typing with these Blackberry devices at my age is Murder!

[Bananiot]

Hatter

Bananiot, would you care to tell us what were these false promises? and to whom they were made?

I think you should address this question to former European Commissioner Günter Verheugen who went public to accuse Papadopoulos that he deceived Europe. Probably Costas Simitis can also give you a good answer, for he engineered the accession of Cyprus with Vasiliou and Klerides, with the Cyprob unsolved.

DT

And prey tell who are these level headed Greek Cypriots that respect Rolandis?

What has the man done for this island apart for write for a paper that is sponsored by the "trnc" foreign ministry.

Your first question: All of us who understand that time works fast to the detriment of Cyprus and are not prepared to wait until the balance of power changes in our favour. All of us that crave for solution that will unite Cyprus under BBF as the only practical option we have at our disposal.

Your second question: He was Foreign Minister of the RoC and an MP for many years. He is respected abroad and when he speaks people listened. He has a European outlook and Europeans take him for serious. Your bit about Rolandis writing for a trnc paper is pathetic and does not deserve an answer.

[Oracle]

ORACLE Wrote:
We are not to be trusted?

Because we are the native inhabitants of the island who raise an objection to your invasion, perhaps?


Hi Oracle,
Long time no write! Well, I just had to comment on your words above regarding "Native Inhabitants", and not perhaps the Greeks brought from Greece over the last 100 years. Years, I agree a fair few are Greek-Cypriot, but many Greeks from Greece were brought to Cyprus quietly over the years - don't think we don't know.

And, as for the so-called "Invasion" remark, please read the Cyprus section in the CIA Fact Book online which refers to "Intevention" and NOT "Invasion". The first invaders on 15th of July 1974, the 15'000 plus EOKA-B milita were actually from Greece. Turkey's initial intention to restore constitutional order was soon to change after witnessing the Hundreds of Turkish Cypriots buried alive across the island. It was WE, The Turkish Cypriot who WANT Turkey to stay, please do not forget that. Even one of your Greek Cypriots could not bare your lies and had to make a Documentary about the mass Genocide against the TCs, where he was obviously threatened to the extent that he's moved to the TRNC.

If your 40 year lies meant anything tangiable, Christofias would never have felt compelled to base his ENTIRE Election campaign on gaining "International Crediability" after Tassos Papadopoulos disgracefully tarnished the Greek Cypriot's 40 year lie campaign. He would also not feel compelled to have to sit around a table in front of Dr Eroglu, or submit his NON-Candidancy in the next GC-ROC presidential elections SO EARLY.

Face the music Oracle, the Cyprus Problem as it's referred to is so to be a matter for those historical CDs which contain pointless, and out dated information for their GCSE exams! Like with the former Yugoslavian Federal Republic, the Dual Serbia/Montenegro marriage and the Former Czechoslovakia, the Island of Cyprus' issue in the eyes of the EU will soon be History.

I've recently visited Southern Cyprus twice covering two major reports for the EU and can confidently say that the EU Com/Parliament members, NOT the Council, have a very, very different view of Cyprus affairs than what the Greek Cypriots believe.

My BEST wishes to you My dear,

Love MrH.

* Sorry for the Typo mistakes in the above, typing with these Blackberry devices at my age is Murder!

Maybe it's not your age, but your stupidity!

Get back to me when you are able to make sense!

[Gasman]

The usual response from Oracle when she has no good response ...

You are STUPID!

Or, take your pick from any of these (garnered from just TWO pages of results from her responses to me)

stupid,
retarded,
thick,
ignorant,
dishonest,
lying,
thieving,
least popular participant on the forum
mentally locked in my own self-important, money-making small world
Don't have the foggiest about the type of world I live in Something wrong with my mental and optical outlook
need to learn to tell the blokes apart from the women.
Funny things have happened to my male hormones as I got older anything seems fair game to me.
turning GAY and looking for excuses
afraid of women who do not present themselves as sex objects
It's a sad outlook for British women, if there were any more men like me around
Frightening to think of as a mother ...

But NO words to counter or respond to what I actually said.

Not worth bothering with really. An 'official' Brit whose heart is in GREECE, (not Cyprus) and who is away with the fairies in the worst (and kindest) possible interpretation of that!

[Hatter]

Hatter

Bananiot, would you care to tell us what were these false promises? and to whom they were made?

I think you should address this question to former European Commissioner Günter Verheugen who went public to accuse Papadopoulos that he deceived Europe. Probably Costas Simitis can also give you a good answer, for he engineered the accession of Cyprus with Vasiliou and Klerides, with the Cyprob unsolved.

DT

And prey tell who are these level headed Greek Cypriots that respect Rolandis?

What has the man done for this island apart for write for a paper that is sponsored by the "trnc" foreign ministry.

Your first question: All of us who understand that time works fast to the detriment of Cyprus and are not prepared to wait until the balance of power changes in our favour. All of us that crave for solution that will unite Cyprus under BBF as the only practical option we have at our disposal.

Your second question: He was Foreign Minister of the RoC and an MP for many years. He is respected abroad and when he speaks people listened. He has a European outlook and Europeans take him for serious. Your bit about Rolandis writing for a trnc paper is pathetic and does not deserve an answer.

No Bananiot, I am addressing the question to you because you are propounding this claim at this forum. If that is all you got, that "Verheugen said so", then I rest my case. Either put up or shut up.
This myth has been debunked in an older thread:-

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cheat%2A&start=10