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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 15, 2010 10:33 am

Papandreou said the tension stemmed from mutual fears of aggression.

“We, with our many islands and the experience of Cyprus, definitely have a fear,’’ he said. “Could Turkey at some point decide to take over a Greek island? Don’t laugh, such a fear exists, unfortunately. But maybe Turkey also is afraid Greece will attack.’’

Papandreou urged Ankara to provide flight plans for its military planes using Aegean airspace, to avoid their being intercepted by armed Greek fighters. “It’s that simple,’’ he said.




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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 15, 2010 10:48 am

Aktar would like to see Papandreou and Erdogan agree on the holding of an international conference on Cyprus, similar to the one at Dayton that brought peace to Bosnia in 1995. He argues that only all-party negotiations can overcome obstacles such as the Turkish guarantee for Turkish Cypriots _ Greek Cypriots will “never ever buy that”.

Referring to the talks between Cypriot President Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Dervish Eroglu, due to start May 26, Aktar said: “The era of two community-leader negotiations is definitely over.” He dismissed the option of north Cyprus becoming like Taiwan as having “no future whatsoever”. There has to be a negotiated settlement, but it will only come from an international conference.







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Postby Nikitas » Sat May 15, 2010 11:25 am

Having listened carefully to Erdoghan's (via interpreters naturally) interviews, I am not so optimistic.

His stance on Cyprus is the worn "we said yes, you said no", on the issue of the daily violations of Greek airspace he said that according to NATO reports these are not classified as violations. Having personal experiences of these flights, seeing jets flying right over Greek islands, repeatedly, at 600 feet, the only conclusion is that he is talking nonsense. For the people of Farmakonisi, Agathonisi, Psara and other islands, being woken up at 6 am with jets flying right over their houses, being told that NATO air traffic has not seen these flights is bullshit.

Reading between the lines of this visit, I form the view that Turkey is trying to find a way to overcome an obstacle, one that is affecting its standing in the area- that of the past imperial power. But it cannot because all the officials that have come to Greece, and presumably they exude the same air in other countries in the area too, remains that of the imperial presence. This is the reason that there is a lot of inter Balkan cooperation which leaves out Turkey and Turkish business. All it takes to overcome the problem is to be a little less formal and a bit more friendly.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 15, 2010 11:42 am

Nikitas wrote:Having listened carefully to Erdoghan's (via interpreters naturally) interviews, I am not so optimistic.

His stance on Cyprus is the worn "we said yes, you said no", on the issue of the daily violations of Greek airspace he said that according to NATO reports these are not classified as violations. Having personal experiences of these flights, seeing jets flying right over Greek islands, repeatedly, at 600 feet, the only conclusion is that he is talking nonsense. For the people of Farmakonisi, Agathonisi, Psara and other islands, being woken up at 6 am with jets flying right over their houses, being told that NATO air traffic has not seen these flights is bullshit.

Reading between the lines of this visit, I form the view that Turkey is trying to find a way to overcome an obstacle, one that is affecting its standing in the area- that of the past imperial power. But it cannot because all the officials that have come to Greece, and presumably they exude the same air in other countries in the area too, remains that of the imperial presence. This is the reason that there is a lot of inter Balkan cooperation which leaves out Turkey and Turkish business. All it takes to overcome the problem is to be a little less formal and a bit more friendly.


I think that is Erdogan's style,Nikitas...He does have an imperial air,because in Turkey they treat him like a Sultan...That is a fundamental weakness of Turkish democracy,they have not managed to move on from "One -man-rule" style of government...Keep an eye on Foreign Minister Davutoglu...He is much more humble and clever than all of the others combined...He is sincere about "zero problems" with Turkey's neighbours...If he is allowed free reign Cyprus problem will be solved by the end of this year...Political accidents permitting...
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Postby Nikitas » Sat May 15, 2010 11:57 am

I hope you are right Bir.

But this imperial air was displayed by others in the past. I remember Mesut Yilmaz smoking a cigarette with a cigarette holder, (while on interview on Greek TV) saying "if you think the Aegean is going to be a Greek lake, you are mistaken". This is in response to a question about the violations of air space.

No need to talk about Mrs Ciller, she was a sui generis personality.

And then there was Ozal who opened his first speech in Greece saying "both Greece and Turkey have developed from a common history as parts of the Ottoman empire". He could not fathom the effect of his words on his audience! It would be like the president of RoC addressing Americans saying "we were both members of the British empire" but far worse!

Now if I was a speech writer for these guys the first sentence in their speeches would be "good fences make good neighbors. We respect those fences and are satisfied with them. We have no intention on changing them." That simple.

TO give credit where it is due, one Turkish diplomat who came across as a friendly and regular guy, without compromising his role as promoter of his country's interests, was the late Ismail Cem.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat May 15, 2010 12:29 pm

boomerang wrote:excellent news bir...so when are you moving to either one of these two countries?... :lol:



More than that, it seems Bir is already stepping into Halils shoes as the local correspondent. Halil is retiring soon from Bayrak. :lol: :lol: Long live retirement. :lol: :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 15, 2010 12:40 pm

I agree...Ismail Cem was a gem amongst Turkish politicians...I am not sure whether he was from Istanbul or not,but he was what we call "An Istanbul Gentleman",educated,refined,worldly...I didnt think much of Turkish diplomacy after Inonu and before Cem...After Cem it went into another slide till the ascent of the present FM Ahmet Davutoglu...This guy is truly outstanding,and I fear for his political longevity...Turkish politicians in power are not renouned for fostering or tolerating talented underlings for long...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 15, 2010 12:44 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:excellent news bir...so when are you moving to either one of these two countries?... :lol:



More than that, it seems Bir is already stepping into Halils shoes as the local correspondent. Halil is retiring soon from Bayrak. :lol: :lol: Long live retirement. :lol: :lol:


Halil has giant's shoes as a correspondent,I have no chance or ambitions to fill them... :wink: :)
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Postby Kikapu » Sat May 15, 2010 12:56 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:excellent news bir...so when are you moving to either one of these two countries?... :lol:



More than that, it seems Bir is already stepping into Halils shoes as the local correspondent. Halil is retiring soon from Bayrak. :lol: :lol: Long live retirement. :lol: :lol:


Halil has giant's shoes as a correspondent,I have no chance or ambitions to fill them... :wink: :)


You mean you would be lousy at posting Bayrak's propaganda crap.! :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 15, 2010 12:57 pm

So Kikapu any plans to visit the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus this summer?
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