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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 17, 2010 11:19 pm

bigOz wrote:Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...

That's not what its saying here... :lol:

http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/19569

I've had it up to my neck with Turkophiles posting what they'd like us to believe as opposed to what's really happening! :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 17, 2010 11:23 pm

Viewpoint wrote:B25 do you now understand what the EU think of you, they do not give a shit and will sooner or later understand that the GC mentality and lack of flexibility is the real obstacle to removing the thorn from the EU side which the GCs and Greece stabbed them with.

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Postby YFred » Mon May 17, 2010 11:24 pm

Acikgoz wrote:
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bigOz wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.


Which brings us to the subject of (what I always asked in this forum) - for what purpose do the GCs want their fellow countrymen TCs depend solely on trade with Turkey only, use Turkish Airlines only. and rely solely on Turkiye for their economic and social existence? In terms of being a financial burden it is a srtaw in a haystack for Turkey. Meanwhile the economic pressure on some TCs will encourage more of them to leave the North for foreign land - to be replaced by the not so well off mainland Turkish substitutes who really do not give a damn about the economics of the island. SO! While GCs defend their stupid stubborn embargo ideas any possibility of a Federal Republic is fast diminishing and a real partition is becoming inevitable...

BTW is Turkiye complaining? They are not losing on anything because of any embargoes in North Cyprus - on the contrary the GCs in South are begging for their ships to be allowed to use Turkish ports, and Cyprus Airways to be allowed to use the Turkish airspace. Is Turkiye bothered.

Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...


These extra costs should be borne by the EU, for its failure to protect one of its members from such babaric acts.

It should pay for not taking action for Turkey fuckup and failure to honour the 8th july agreement. Oh shit, did I say honour, yeah like fuck they don't even know what that means.

we should all be petitioning the EU to take further action to protect its memebr states commercial entities from such cowboys.

Thanks for the reminder BogOz.


Look for the EU to respond with, WHAT, you are coming to me with this when all you have to do is give up your egomaniac policies and normalise trade relations with Turkey and bring the TCs in from the cold.
We've got enough on our plates - grow up and stop wasting our time and like hell we are going to bear those costs.

No we have to be fair. We will bear the costs under the umbrella of the roc. We will pay very fair share of the costs of unification which is about 10%. It will actuall be taken out of the money owed by the roc to the TCs of all the aid they have had since 1963 on behalf of the TCs and have not passed them on. I will also accept that they can take the price of all the electircity they have supplied to Lurucina since 1974 but did not have the guts to send the electricity man to collect on account that he was scared shitless to approach the village on his bike.

Lets play the white man and be fair to out GC cousins in the southen lands, after all Muhtar X may need that money not to far in the future.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 17, 2010 11:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:B25 do you now understand what the EU think of you, they do not give a shit and will sooner or later understand that the GC mentality and lack of flexibility is the real obstacle to removing the thorn from the EU side which the GCs and Greece stabbed them with.

You’re just bitter that you’re grounded and there you shall remain! Image


Grounded what could you possibly mean?
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Postby B25 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:26 pm

Acikgoz wrote:
B25 wrote:
bigOz wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.


Which brings us to the subject of (what I always asked in this forum) - for what purpose do the GCs want their fellow countrymen TCs depend solely on trade with Turkey only, use Turkish Airlines only. and rely solely on Turkiye for their economic and social existence? In terms of being a financial burden it is a srtaw in a haystack for Turkey. Meanwhile the economic pressure on some TCs will encourage more of them to leave the North for foreign land - to be replaced by the not so well off mainland Turkish substitutes who really do not give a damn about the economics of the island. SO! While GCs defend their stupid stubborn embargo ideas any possibility of a Federal Republic is fast diminishing and a real partition is becoming inevitable...

BTW is Turkiye complaining? They are not losing on anything because of any embargoes in North Cyprus - on the contrary the GCs in South are begging for their ships to be allowed to use Turkish ports, and Cyprus Airways to be allowed to use the Turkish airspace. Is Turkiye bothered.

Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...


These extra costs should be borne by the EU, for its failure to protect one of its members from such babaric acts.

It should pay for not taking action for Turkey fuckup and failure to honour the 8th july agreement. Oh shit, did I say honour, yeah like fuck they don't even know what that means.

we should all be petitioning the EU to take further action to protect its memebr states commercial entities from such cowboys.

Thanks for the reminder BogOz.


Look for the EU to respond with, WHAT, you are coming to me with this when all you have to do is give up your egomaniac policies and normalise trade relations with Turkey and bring the TCs in from the cold.
We've got enough on our plates - grow up and stop wasting our time and like hell we are going to bear those costs.


who are you to bear any costs? It was the EU i was referring to. Get a grip.
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Postby bigOz » Mon May 17, 2010 11:27 pm

Get Real! wrote:
bigOz wrote:Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...

That's not what its saying here... :lol:

http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/19569

I've had it up to my neck with Turkophiles posting what they'd like us to believe as opposed to what's really happening! :roll:


That is exactly what Cyprus Mail was saying under 3 months ago! Do read and get over your sentiments comrade!

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/cy-wa ... n/20100227

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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 17, 2010 11:28 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:B25 do you now understand what the EU think of you, they do not give a shit and will sooner or later understand that the GC mentality and lack of flexibility is the real obstacle to removing the thorn from the EU side which the GCs and Greece stabbed them with.

You’re just bitter that you’re grounded and there you shall remain! Image

Grounded what could you possibly mean?

Your Cessna is grounded, your 1 ton of potatoes is grounded, and your IQ has been ground to a pulp! :lol:
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Postby YFred » Mon May 17, 2010 11:29 pm

B25 wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:
B25 wrote:
bigOz wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.


Which brings us to the subject of (what I always asked in this forum) - for what purpose do the GCs want their fellow countrymen TCs depend solely on trade with Turkey only, use Turkish Airlines only. and rely solely on Turkiye for their economic and social existence? In terms of being a financial burden it is a srtaw in a haystack for Turkey. Meanwhile the economic pressure on some TCs will encourage more of them to leave the North for foreign land - to be replaced by the not so well off mainland Turkish substitutes who really do not give a damn about the economics of the island. SO! While GCs defend their stupid stubborn embargo ideas any possibility of a Federal Republic is fast diminishing and a real partition is becoming inevitable...

BTW is Turkiye complaining? They are not losing on anything because of any embargoes in North Cyprus - on the contrary the GCs in South are begging for their ships to be allowed to use Turkish ports, and Cyprus Airways to be allowed to use the Turkish airspace. Is Turkiye bothered.

Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...


These extra costs should be borne by the EU, for its failure to protect one of its members from such babaric acts.

It should pay for not taking action for Turkey fuckup and failure to honour the 8th july agreement. Oh shit, did I say honour, yeah like fuck they don't even know what that means.

we should all be petitioning the EU to take further action to protect its memebr states commercial entities from such cowboys.

Thanks for the reminder BogOz.


Look for the EU to respond with, WHAT, you are coming to me with this when all you have to do is give up your egomaniac policies and normalise trade relations with Turkey and bring the TCs in from the cold.
We've got enough on our plates - grow up and stop wasting our time and like hell we are going to bear those costs.


who are you to bear any costs? It was the EU i was referring to. Get a grip.

I can see them running to your help, get a grip. You will pay 90% you bastards. Serves you right for starting it. Enosis? you will have scle-rosis of the bloody brain and you deserve it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 17, 2010 11:31 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:B25 do you now understand what the EU think of you, they do not give a shit and will sooner or later understand that the GC mentality and lack of flexibility is the real obstacle to removing the thorn from the EU side which the GCs and Greece stabbed them with.

You’re just bitter that you’re grounded and there you shall remain! Image

Grounded what could you possibly mean?

Your Cessna is grounded, your 1 ton of potatoes is grounded, and your IQ has been ground to a pulp! :lol:


If you post in half sentencies and riddles no one will understand you, try being more precise and clear when you post.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 17, 2010 11:31 pm

bigOz wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
bigOz wrote:Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...

That's not what its saying here... :lol:

http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/19569

I've had it up to my neck with Turkophiles posting what they'd like us to believe as opposed to what's really happening! :roll:


That is exactly what Cyprus Mail was saying under 3 months ago! Do read and get over your sentiments comrade!

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/cy-wa ... n/20100227

:D

Just because the greedy CA is coming up with ever more inventive ways to (hopefully) cash in doesn't mean they're honest! :lol:

Besides, how would you explain the profit of every other year prior to 2009 then? :wink:
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