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[Viewpoint]

If unaware of the embargoes in place against TRNC...

An embargo is a government order prohibiting commerce or exchange with a specified country, but the “TRNC” is NOT a country but an occupied territory of Cyprus so there is no embargo but a closure of occupied ports.

So in what context are the eu discussing the direct trade with TRNC? and use all 3 cels in your brain for this one and if smke begins to come out of your ears make sure somebody is nearby to turn your off knob off.

In the context of utter stupidity which is pretty much where you’re coming from as no such thing as “direct trade” or “direct flights” with a non-entity can ever legally exist.

What if you are wrong and they are allowed? will you finally admit that you were wrong and apologise or continue to make excuses just like most GCs who never want to address anything unless its seen exactly how they demand it.

[Get Real!]

If unaware of the embargoes in place against TRNC...

An embargo is a government order prohibiting commerce or exchange with a specified country, but the “TRNC” is NOT a country but an occupied territory of Cyprus so there is no embargo but a closure of occupied ports.

So in what context are the eu discussing the direct trade with TRNC? and use all 3 cels in your brain for this one and if smke begins to come out of your ears make sure somebody is nearby to turn your off knob off.

In the context of utter stupidity which is pretty much where you’re coming from as no such thing as “direct trade” or “direct flights” with a non-entity can ever legally exist.

What if you are wrong and they are allowed? will you finally admit that you were wrong and apologise or continue to make excuses just like most GCs who never want to address anything unless its seen exactly how they demand it.

I’ve meticulously studied most if not all the aspects of international law pertaining to this and I can’t see how this can possibly come about without reinventing much (agreements, treaties, conventions, etc) of what took the world half a century to put together! (since WWII)

[YFred]

If unaware of the embargoes in place against TRNC...

An embargo is a government order prohibiting commerce or exchange with a specified country, but the “TRNC” is NOT a country but an occupied territory of Cyprus so there is no embargo but a closure of occupied ports.

So in what context are the eu discussing the direct trade with TRNC? and use all 3 cels in your brain for this one and if smke begins to come out of your ears make sure somebody is nearby to turn your off knob off.

In the context of utter stupidity which is pretty much where you’re coming from as no such thing as “direct trade” or “direct flights” with a non-entity can ever legally exist.

What if you are wrong and they are allowed? will you finally admit that you were wrong and apologise or continue to make excuses just like most GCs who never want to address anything unless its seen exactly how they demand it.

I’ve meticulously studied most if not all the aspects of international law pertaining to this and I can’t see how this can possibly come about without reinventing much (agreements, treaties, conventions, etc) of what took the world half a century to put together! (since WWII)

So, how does Taiwan do it then? Has China given it's permission?
Do you think roc can stop what China could not stop?
In true Milti's words you are one hell of a prize plonker. Not that different to the prize bulls that the old man used to rear. I give you fair warning they were all castrated.

[Get Real!]

If unaware of the embargoes in place against TRNC...

An embargo is a government order prohibiting commerce or exchange with a specified country, but the “TRNC” is NOT a country but an occupied territory of Cyprus so there is no embargo but a closure of occupied ports.

So in what context are the eu discussing the direct trade with TRNC? and use all 3 cels in your brain for this one and if smke begins to come out of your ears make sure somebody is nearby to turn your off knob off.

In the context of utter stupidity which is pretty much where you’re coming from as no such thing as “direct trade” or “direct flights” with a non-entity can ever legally exist.

What if you are wrong and they are allowed? will you finally admit that you were wrong and apologise or continue to make excuses just like most GCs who never want to address anything unless its seen exactly how they demand it.

I’ve meticulously studied most if not all the aspects of international law pertaining to this and I can’t see how this can possibly come about without reinventing much (agreements, treaties, conventions, etc) of what took the world half a century to put together! (since WWII)

So, how does Taiwan do it then? Has China given it's permission?
Do you think roc can stop what China could not stop?
In true Milti's words you are one hell of a prize plonker. Not that different to the prize bulls that the old man used to rear. I give you fair warning they were all castrated.

That’s for YOU to go study Taiwan, and come back to report to us why this comparison was so daft in the first place.

[Acikgoz]

The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.

[Get Real!]

Acikgoz,

To be frank with you… trade or no trade and flights or no flights, it won’t make ANY difference because how far do you think such a shit hole run by such incompetent rejects can possibly go anyway?

[bigOz]

The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.

Which brings us to the subject of (what I always asked in this forum) - for what purpose do the GCs want their fellow countrymen TCs depend solely on trade with Turkey only, use Turkish Airlines only. and rely solely on Turkiye for their economic and social existence? In terms of being a financial burden it is a srtaw in a haystack for Turkey. Meanwhile the economic pressure on some TCs will encourage more of them to leave the North for foreign land - to be replaced by the not so well off mainland Turkish substitutes who really do not give a damn about the economics of the island. SO! While GCs defend their stupid stubborn embargo ideas any possibility of a Federal Republic is fast diminishing and a real partition is becoming inevitable...

BTW is Turkiye complaining? They are not losing on anything because of any embargoes in North Cyprus - on the contrary the GCs in South are begging for their ships to be allowed to use Turkish ports, and Cyprus Airways to be allowed to use the Turkish airspace. Is Turkiye bothered.

Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...

[B25]

The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.

Which brings us to the subject of (what I always asked in this forum) - for what purpose do the GCs want their fellow countrymen TCs depend solely on trade with Turkey only, use Turkish Airlines only. and rely solely on Turkiye for their economic and social existence? In terms of being a financial burden it is a srtaw in a haystack for Turkey. Meanwhile the economic pressure on some TCs will encourage more of them to leave the North for foreign land - to be replaced by the not so well off mainland Turkish substitutes who really do not give a damn about the economics of the island. SO! While GCs defend their stupid stubborn embargo ideas any possibility of a Federal Republic is fast diminishing and a real partition is becoming inevitable...

BTW is Turkiye complaining? They are not losing on anything because of any embargoes in North Cyprus - on the contrary the GCs in South are begging for their ships to be allowed to use Turkish ports, and Cyprus Airways to be allowed to use the Turkish airspace. Is Turkiye bothered.

Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...

These extra costs should be borne by the EU, for its failure to protect one of its members from such babaric acts.

It should pay for not taking action for Turkey fuckup and failure to honour the 8th july agreement. Oh shit, did I say honour, yeah like fuck they don't even know what that means.

we should all be petitioning the EU to take further action to protect its memebr states commercial entities from such cowboys.

Thanks for the reminder BogOz.

[Acikgoz]

The RoC will capitulate - there will be a situation where they have a choice but to allow ports for entry and exit direct to the north - if they do not then bi-lateral arrangements will undermine the perceived sovereignty of the hold of the South over the entire island. They will be pressured, behind closed doors, open the ports or we will just ignore your decree as Cyprus is ........ (fill in whatever justification that is politically palatable).

TRNC is no Taiwan, but RoC is no China either. Cyprus is part of the EU, but post Lisbon treaty implementation, the leverage Cyprus can use with other EU members to protect its political aspirations will diminish.
Perhaps the TRNC won't be able to trade direct with other EU members, but there is nothing to stop it trading with other nations outside the EU. For example, outside of PR, RoC can do nothing about the ferry services from the middle east (note I'm not debating their value but their presence).

The RoC could start sabre rattling, threaten law suits or war, this would lose the RoC international support for her isolation measures further. The cracks on the dam are real and there is a trickle. The RoC can manage the speed of the inevitable, however it must show it can act responsibly if it is to have justification for the position it deems itself to be in as representative of the wole island.

Which brings us to the subject of (what I always asked in this forum) - for what purpose do the GCs want their fellow countrymen TCs depend solely on trade with Turkey only, use Turkish Airlines only. and rely solely on Turkiye for their economic and social existence? In terms of being a financial burden it is a srtaw in a haystack for Turkey. Meanwhile the economic pressure on some TCs will encourage more of them to leave the North for foreign land - to be replaced by the not so well off mainland Turkish substitutes who really do not give a damn about the economics of the island. SO! While GCs defend their stupid stubborn embargo ideas any possibility of a Federal Republic is fast diminishing and a real partition is becoming inevitable...

BTW is Turkiye complaining? They are not losing on anything because of any embargoes in North Cyprus - on the contrary the GCs in South are begging for their ships to be allowed to use Turkish ports, and Cyprus Airways to be allowed to use the Turkish airspace. Is Turkiye bothered.

Get real! If you do try and get real for a change you will see that Cyorus Airways made a loss of 3.28 million Euros last year. And guess what? The same CA is claiming it cost them 3 million EU last year to go around the Turkish airspace for flights to Central Europe and Russia! So it seems the very survival of the national airline in the South is depending on the ongoing deadlock about the embargoes...

These extra costs should be borne by the EU, for its failure to protect one of its members from such babaric acts.

It should pay for not taking action for Turkey fuckup and failure to honour the 8th july agreement. Oh shit, did I say honour, yeah like fuck they don't even know what that means.

we should all be petitioning the EU to take further action to protect its memebr states commercial entities from such cowboys.

Thanks for the reminder BogOz.

Look for the EU to respond with, WHAT, you are coming to me with this when all you have to do is give up your egomaniac policies and normalise trade relations with Turkey and bring the TCs in from the cold.
We've got enough on our plates - grow up and stop wasting our time and like hell we are going to bear those costs.

[Viewpoint]

B25 do you now understand what the EU think of you, they do not give a shit and will sooner or later understand that the GC mentality and lack of flexibility is the real obstacle to removing the thorn from the EU side which the GCs and Greece stabbed them with.