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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:02 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:Irans nuclear program has nothing to do with america or israel, under the non proliferation treaty,any state can ,and has the right to ,enrich uraneum to be used as fuel for civil nuclear power ,such states have to be under inspection of the iasa , and iran is already being inspected,Only nations with a nuclear weapon at the time of the treaty are allowed to enrich to high grade needed for a weapon . Iran are only doing what is allowed under the treaty,and want to contol the the whole process of the low grade stuff themselves, and have agreed to turkey processing 1200 kls of low grade ,and getting back in return 20 kls of a grade suitable for civil power,,,, but this has really nothing to do with Iran producing a weapon ,but america and the uk and israel losing a mega bucks contract now and in the future for the processing of the low grade stuff , some of you on this forum are getting a little carried away that this is in some way going to help cyprus


It's all about regional alliances!

If Cyprus is not dogmatic towards Israel and even forms good diplomatic and military ties, then all of a sudden Cyprus becomes a nation of immense importance to them, because Cyprus then becomes not only a nation that is not hostile to Israel, but an enormously important ally.

Then there will be joint military exercises, arms deals, shared intelligence, investment and trade. The key is to do all of the above without upsetting other nations other than Turkey.

Then there is AIPAC, and Israel has enough influence to really hurt Turkey.

Just keep looking towards Iran! That is all I dream about! :lol:



"...an enormously important ally."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Being an ally(sic) means walking the walk, not just talking the talk. :roll:


Alliances could mean a variety of things. Cyprus has been walking the walk and Israel has taken note.

Allies that are geographically close are enormously important, particularly when surrounded by so many hostile nations. The importance of certain allies is not directly proportional to Military Strength. Singapore for example is an important ally to Australia, probably one of our most important. The same can be said about NZ. It is possible for Cyprus to be a more important ally to Israel than Australia is, purely for the fact that Cyprus is only 148 nms from Israel.

So yes, Cyprus is of immense importance to Israel.
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Postby Cap » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:19 pm

78 percent of Jewish Israelis view Turkey as enemy, poll shows...
From the IsraelForum:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showth ... adid=17893
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:43 pm

Israel Lobby Riding High in US Election Run-Up

Despite the growing international condemnation and isolation incurred by the government of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, the right-wing leadership of the so-called "Israel Lobby" here is riding high in the U.S. Congress.

http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/2010/0 ... on-run-up/
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:45 pm

Robert Fisk...

Fighting talk: The new propaganda

Following the latest in semantics on the news? Journalism and the Israeli government are in love again. It's Islamic terror, Turkish terror, Hamas terror, Islamic Jihad terror, Hezbollah terror, activist terror, war on terror, Palestinian terror, Muslim terror, Iranian terror, Syrian terror, anti-Semitic terror...

But I am doing the Israelis an injustice. Their lexicon, and that of the White House – most of the time – and our reporters' lexicon, is the same. Yes, let's be fair to the Israelis. Their lexicon goes like this: Terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror.


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 06001.html
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Postby BOF » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:15 pm

In the Rush to jump into bed with Israel pehaps it would be wise to remember that Israel and Russia are in two different tents....
this whole flag waving bravado by some is nothing more than playing with fire.
A K is a British base, and has NATO and commonwealth forces there - forget Israel having people there, and dont forget the recent use of British passports by the zionists , so they aint flavour of the month right now.
And of course America already has Bases in Turkey..
So now are we about to see a tug of war as to who gets Turkey on its side?
There is also the question of oil/gas supplies to the west - coming through Russia and Turkey.
And we are not in anybodies tent so could get pissed on from all sides.
There are a lot of Big Issues at stake right now. Its not the time to go running around shouting our mouths off.
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Re: Turkey now on the outside of the tent.

Postby EPSILON » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:38 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5876.shtml

WMR has learned from U.S. and Middle East intelligence sources that the Obama administration has authorized an increase in signals intelligence (SIGINT) gathering directed against Turkey and Brazil. Both nations are acting as intermediaries with Iran to hammer out a deal to swap uranium for Iran's low-enriched uranium used for its nuclear power generating needs for nuclear fuel from abroad.

To quote Lynden B. Johnson, speaking about J. Edgar Hoover:

"Better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in."


Do not worry, finally Turks, as always, will convist Americans that they are working for their benefit.

You know in Greece we say "stupid Europeans" in Turkey they like to behave like "Stupid Americans" are front of them
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Postby IMPOSTALIEDUS » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:40 pm

IF you look at the map of the middle east you will notice something happening slowly but surely, starting at united arab em (puppet goverment of america) saudi ,same , iraq shortly completly in the hand of america,and TURKEY, then you have a couple of non countries ,then afganistan again about to be swollowed up by america , and finally pakistan , an allie of america , AND SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE IS IRAN, now turkey is a big player in all this and america are going to have to work hard to get them on thier side, and turkey knows its in a very strong position
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