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[BirKibrisli]

Guys, guys, Greece's problem is simple, they spent more than they receive.
It's not rocket Science. With a tiny population in minus, a very small proportion
Actually able to work due to the vast majority being well over the age of 50,
And Greece's failed attempts in curving its trade deficit according to its lack
Of industrial output, Greece was always, and will always fall into the same trap.
Like with many European countries, Greece needs a young workforce - probably
From Turkey - to stop relentless spending for the next 20 years and leave the
EURO and make deals with other NON-EU member rich countries without EU-
Red tape and restrictions implied on its economy. This bailout won't last too long
Before Greece falls into a harder economic scenario than today. And, judging
By Germany's offer to buy a few Greek islands in return for money, I wouldn't
Trust the EU as far as a cheap EasyJet flight. Greece needs Turkey, and to Harmonise
Its relationship with the Turkic countries, including the TRNC. if Turkey can give
The TRNC a free 1billion per year, imagine the strength of Turkey's emerging
Economy, both as an energy hub and according to the lucratic deals signed with
Many of its neighbours.

This was written on my Blackberry device so sorry for any errors. I will read
Your comments when I arrive in Zurich.

At least one Greek agrees with you Mr H...

The governor of Kios island has reportedly written to Papandreu asking that young Turks should be allowed to visit the island without visas and settle there freely if they so chose...Polidoros Lambniduris thinks it is high time Greeks gave up their racist and xenophobic attitudes and embrace their Turkish neighbours...The only way forward in the global village economy...could this be the beginning of the end of our little Problem???
http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=14610451

So you have become nmber one settler I wonder how many will follow in your wake? .....................I wouldnt mind. More peaceful than Cyprus perhaps?

My heart is set on Samos...Deniz it is just like Cyprus was in the 60s...I think we should establish a TC colony there...The people are so lovely too...Friendly,funloving,generous...And without a racist bone...

I am already expanding my options Bir.

If there are single greek women involved that don't mind the good looking for his age tc to malemerge with, count me in. I am always looking to expand the clan to beyon 20 kids.

No shortage of friendly single Greek women,YFred...And no shortage of vineyards either...In fact I met a Dutchman there who has been living there for 30 years making Wine...Sadly his wife died of cancer and he was returning to Holland...We could even buy his Winery with acres of mature vineyards attacked...

[B25]

I suppose you had better include me on the list but please do not accuse me of being Greek because I am not!In fact I cannot say what nationality I am,only that I was born in England.....

Unless I have confused you with someone else, you once stated you were Israeli ???

[BirKibrisli]

My heart is set on Samos...Deniz it is just like Cyprus was in the 60s...I think we should establish a TC colony there...The people are so lovely too...Friendly,funloving,generous...And without a racist bone...

Yes, all you need to do, is stir some trouble, get Turkey to invade and occupy it and hey presto, you have your TC colony.

You've done enough damage to Cyprus, why do you want to destroy another GREEK island FFS?

You are just jealous,B25,because we won't have you in our colony...
No racists allowed....You haven't been following this thread closely, have you??? Certain Greek islands are petitioning the Greek government to allow Turks (and TCs!)to settle,to address their economic problems due to an aging population...Got it now???

[B25]

My heart is set on Samos...Deniz it is just like Cyprus was in the 60s...I think we should establish a TC colony there...The people are so lovely too...Friendly,funloving,generous...And without a racist bone...

Yes, all you need to do, is stir some trouble, get Turkey to invade and occupy it and hey presto, you have your TC colony.

You've done enough damage to Cyprus, why do you want to destroy another GREEK island FFS?

You are just jealous,B25,because we won't have you in our colony...
No racists allowed....You haven't been following this thread closely, have you??? Certain Greek islands are petitioning the Greek government to allow Turks (and TCs!)to settle,to address their economic problems due to an aging population...Got it now???

Yes I have followed that and first of all he will be damn sorry if it ever happened, and secondly if he is not careful, you will be crying that you are slaves again

I am no racist, there is nothing wrong with turks, I think every family should have one

[YFred]

Guys, guys, Greece's problem is simple, they spent more than they receive.
It's not rocket Science. With a tiny population in minus, a very small proportion
Actually able to work due to the vast majority being well over the age of 50,
And Greece's failed attempts in curving its trade deficit according to its lack
Of industrial output, Greece was always, and will always fall into the same trap.
Like with many European countries, Greece needs a young workforce - probably
From Turkey - to stop relentless spending for the next 20 years and leave the
EURO and make deals with other NON-EU member rich countries without EU-
Red tape and restrictions implied on its economy. This bailout won't last too long
Before Greece falls into a harder economic scenario than today. And, judging
By Germany's offer to buy a few Greek islands in return for money, I wouldn't
Trust the EU as far as a cheap EasyJet flight. Greece needs Turkey, and to Harmonise
Its relationship with the Turkic countries, including the TRNC. if Turkey can give
The TRNC a free 1billion per year, imagine the strength of Turkey's emerging
Economy, both as an energy hub and according to the lucratic deals signed with
Many of its neighbours.

This was written on my Blackberry device so sorry for any errors. I will read
Your comments when I arrive in Zurich.

At least one Greek agrees with you Mr H...

The governor of Kios island has reportedly written to Papandreu asking that young Turks should be allowed to visit the island without visas and settle there freely if they so chose...Polidoros Lambniduris thinks it is high time Greeks gave up their racist and xenophobic attitudes and embrace their Turkish neighbours...The only way forward in the global village economy...could this be the beginning of the end of our little Problem???
http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=14610451

So you have become nmber one settler I wonder how many will follow in your wake? .....................I wouldnt mind. More peaceful than Cyprus perhaps?

My heart is set on Samos...Deniz it is just like Cyprus was in the 60s...I think we should establish a TC colony there...The people are so lovely too...Friendly,funloving,generous...And without a racist bone...

I am already expanding my options Bir.

If there are single greek women involved that don't mind the good looking for his age tc to malemerge with, count me in. I am always looking to expand the clan to beyon 20 kids.

No shortage of friendly single Greek women,YFred...And no shortage of vineyards either...In fact I met a Dutchman there who has been living there for 30 years making Wine...Sadly his wife died of cancer and he was returning to Holland...We could even buy his Winery with acres of mature vineyards attacked...

Worth considering. I'll think about it and let you know. I am rather attached to Lurucina but ......

[denizaksulu]

I suppose you had better include me on the list but please do not accuse me of being Greek because I am not!In fact I cannot say what nationality I am,only that I was born in England.....

I am not sure which list you want to be on,cymart,but if you want to be part of the TC colony on Samos you would be most welcome...You can be Greek (there are quite a few of them on Samos ) or even GC for all I care...Lets all get away from this mindless,soul-destroying conflict and start again somewhere that reminds us,geographically at least,of Cyprus before the 70s...

BirNOAHKibrisli's ark.

[Nikitas]

Bir said:

"Certain Greek islands are petitioning the Greek government to allow Turks (and TCs!)to settle,to address their economic problems due to an aging population...Got it now???"

Evidence of these petitions?

Last petition I heard was from Kalymnos urging the Greek navy to sink some Turkish coast guard vessels that bug the local fishermen for no reason.

Starting fro the north of the Aegean and the island of Agios Efstratios and going all the way to the south to Kastellorizo there is not a single island that does not have problems of naval and/or air harassment on a daily basis.

As for what happens with Turkish island policy in the Aegean no need to look further than Imvros and Tenedos. The fate of the locals there is a vivid living example of what happens to the locals who get too closely embraced by Turkey.

Maybe Bir you have confused the call for day permits for Turkish visitors with settlement permits.

[Nikitas]

Tiny population my eye!!!

By the same token Switzerland with its 6 million whould be in the poorhouse, not to mention Luxembourg and Lichtenstein!!!

There is no shortage of workmen in Greece from Bulgaria, Romania, SKopje and other Balkan countries. The added advantage of these immigrants is that they are Greek Orthodox, most are Greek speakers and integrate very quickly.

As for the economic theories of spending more than you earn etc, these erstwhile economists should look up the statistics tables, all nations work on deficits. Except for Russia all European states have deficits. Check it out. This year Greece will run a deficit of 8 per cent, the UK one of 12 per cent. If Turkey going to rush to the aid of anyone then the UK seems to have priority.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"Certain Greek islands are petitioning the Greek government to allow Turks (and TCs!)to settle,to address their economic problems due to an aging population...Got it now???"

Evidence of these petitions?

Last petition I heard was from Kalymnos urging the Greek navy to sink some Turkish coast guard vessels that bug the local fishermen for no reason.

Starting fro the north of the Aegean and the island of Agios Efstratios and going all the way to the south to Kastellorizo there is not a single island that does not have problems of naval and/or air harassment on a daily basis.

As for what happens with Turkish island policy in the Aegean no need to look further than Imvros and Tenedos. The fate of the locals there is a vivid living example of what happens to the locals who get too closely embraced by Turkey.

Maybe Bir you have confused the call for day permits for Turkish visitors with settlement permits.

I was going by the Hurriyet article which I posted earlier,Nikitas...
There it said clearly that the Governor of Kios suggested to PM Papandreu they should consider allowing settlers from Turkey to boost the economy...
Your experiences are certainly more reliable,but what I observed as a tourist on several Greek islands last summer was that people in Greece were mostly over their historical enmity,and ready to move forward towards more interaction and economic cooperation with Turkey...

[BirKibrisli]

I suppose you had better include me on the list but please do not accuse me of being Greek because I am not!In fact I cannot say what nationality I am,only that I was born in England.....

I am not sure which list you want to be on,cymart,but if you want to be part of the TC colony on Samos you would be most welcome...You can be Greek (there are quite a few of them on Samos ) or even GC for all I care...Lets all get away from this mindless,soul-destroying conflict and start again somewhere that reminds us,geographically at least,of Cyprus before the 70s...

BirNOAHKibrisli's ark.

This time we hope the flood will be a big tide of human kindness!!!