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[YFred]

a lot of countries will be in trouble the next few years tim...greece is the tip of the iceburg...every country that exported manufacturiung offshore and embraced a service economy will be in trouble...i see protectionism sneaking in the next 5-10 years...

i have been in the import/export business the last 25 years and this offshoring business is worrysome...not only manufacturing is lost to other countries with cheaper labour, but the unemployment line has got bigger. it actyually affects the standard of living it also brings explotation to the surface with in the country...

this is the point i do not understand as to why turkey wants to join the EU...by joining the eu, the average standard rises, driving business away offshore...

well we all know the primary agenda as to why the AKP wants to join anyway...

How many times do I have to say it, it is for the joining in fee. There is no other benefit. They already have total access to export their cheap goods to the eu.

[boomerang]

If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?

I think it's because they are too interlektual to worry their heads with stuff like filthy money.

Anyway, I've been assured on here that they do NOT have a problem - or at least no more of a problem than the rest of the EU countries have.

So why have they been singled out to get all this money?

Very strange ...

you need to separate government debt and private debt....for example california and a lot of other states in the US are nearing bankruptcy, but the private debt is not a problem...apart from the people that borrowed above their means through creative/explotation banking services...

[boomerang]

a lot of countries will be in trouble the next few years tim...greece is the tip of the iceburg...every country that exported manufacturiung offshore and embraced a service economy will be in trouble...i see protectionism sneaking in the next 5-10 years...

i have been in the import/export business the last 25 years and this offshoring business is worrysome...not only manufacturing is lost to other countries with cheaper labour, but the unemployment line has got bigger. it actyually affects the standard of living it also brings explotation to the surface with in the country...

this is the point i do not understand as to why turkey wants to join the EU...by joining the eu, the average standard rises, driving business away offshore...

well we all know the primary agenda as to why the AKP wants to join anyway...

How many times do I have to say it, it is for the joining in fee. There is no other benefit. They already have total access to export their cheap goods to the eu.

you are wrong the AKP agenda has nothing to do with any fee...turkey is going to enjoy a 7% gtowth anf this will outweigh any fee they will get...

[YFred]

a lot of countries will be in trouble the next few years tim...greece is the tip of the iceburg...every country that exported manufacturiung offshore and embraced a service economy will be in trouble...i see protectionism sneaking in the next 5-10 years...

i have been in the import/export business the last 25 years and this offshoring business is worrysome...not only manufacturing is lost to other countries with cheaper labour, but the unemployment line has got bigger. it actyually affects the standard of living it also brings explotation to the surface with in the country...

this is the point i do not understand as to why turkey wants to join the EU...by joining the eu, the average standard rises, driving business away offshore...

well we all know the primary agenda as to why the AKP wants to join anyway...

How many times do I have to say it, it is for the joining in fee. There is no other benefit. They already have total access to export their cheap goods to the eu.

you are wrong the AKP agenda has nothing to do with any fee...turkey is going to enjoy a 7% gtowth anf this will outweigh any fee they will get...

What makes you think that joining will stifle any growth. They can have both. They are one of the cheap producing countries that you fear. They have nothing to fear from joining. They can stand on their own too feet, so long as the yanks keep subsidising them.

[boomerang]

a lot of countries will be in trouble the next few years tim...greece is the tip of the iceburg...every country that exported manufacturiung offshore and embraced a service economy will be in trouble...i see protectionism sneaking in the next 5-10 years...

i have been in the import/export business the last 25 years and this offshoring business is worrysome...not only manufacturing is lost to other countries with cheaper labour, but the unemployment line has got bigger. it actyually affects the standard of living it also brings explotation to the surface with in the country...

this is the point i do not understand as to why turkey wants to join the EU...by joining the eu, the average standard rises, driving business away offshore...

well we all know the primary agenda as to why the AKP wants to join anyway...

How many times do I have to say it, it is for the joining in fee. There is no other benefit. They already have total access to export their cheap goods to the eu.

you are wrong the AKP agenda has nothing to do with any fee...turkey is going to enjoy a 7% gtowth anf this will outweigh any fee they will get...

What makes you think that joining will stifle any growth. They can have both. They are one of the cheap producing countries that you fear. They have nothing to fear from joining. They can stand on their own too feet, so long as the yanks keep subsidising them.

the only country the yanks are propping up via a backfired WTO, coz the US is run by big business is china...and you are no china...everyones money is ending in china...where today the biggest us creditor is china...unheard off 10-15 years ago...i am sure the us is not happy how things turned out, as they beg china to buy their debt...

coz unlike you i am in position to know how business work and what is the driving force...look around you...everything is machine made these days...labour today is the component that makes you or breaks you...in serviced economies manufacturing with a labour force is very expensive...

oz today enjoys growth, at around 3% through raw marerials and not through manufacturing,...if we had no raw materials we would be in deep shit...

[Tim Drayton]

I heard somewhere - I can't remember where - that there was a confidential US intelligence report predicting the date when Chine would be strong enough to defeat the US in a conventional war, and that date was uncomfortably close. Looking at the world today, I wonder if America has not just decided to go out and grab all it can while it still can.

[YFred]

I heard somewhere - I can't remember where - that there was a confidential US intelligence report predicting the date when Chine would be strong enough to defeat the US in a conventional war, and that date was uncomfortably close. Looking at the world today, I wonder if America has not just decided to go out and grab all it can while it still can.

China does not have to declare war on US to defeat it. Just call in all the loans to it would render US powerless. The strange thing is why she does not. It must be to their advantage to keep US dependent on Chinese finance.

[Acikgoz]

China needs a stable US - 2 trillion of their assets tied in there. They play an uncomfortable tango but essntial for both. FUnnily enough China was on the brink of diversifying assets to the Euro zone, their finance minister came out recently to say timing probably not suitable given lack of confidence in euro region.

While on China, their demographics are not so healthy 20-30 years out. Uptick from improved productivity will be offset with rapidly lopsided aeging population.

Australia - GOOD - one of the only countries expecting a balance surplus in the next few years. Canada too great fundamentals.

I would question the move from production to services, as it is a symptom rather than a policy directive. As productivity improves consistently and the need for economies of scale mean manufacturing will continue to form a smaller and smaller proportion of GDP.

Ps. why is everyone fixated on war aspect of countries - haven't we had enough examples to show that no one wins in the end.

[boomerang]

China needs a stable US - 2 trillion of their assets tied in there. They play an uncomfortable tango but essntial for both. FUnnily enough China was on the brink of diversifying assets to the Euro zone, their finance minister came out recently to say timing probably not suitable given lack of confidence in euro region.

While on China, their demographics are not so healthy 20-30 years out. Uptick from improved productivity will be offset with rapidly lopsided aeging population.

Australia - GOOD - one of the only countries expecting a balance surplus in the next few years. Canada too great fundamentals.

I would question the move from production to services, as it is a symptom rather than a policy directive. As productivity improves consistently and the need for economies of scale mean manufacturing will continue to form a smaller and smaller proportion of GDP.

Ps. why is everyone fixated on war aspect of countries - haven't we had enough examples to show that no one wins in the end.

its a directive, as higher profits are required...i started manufacturing in oz 25 years ago, then moved to taiwan, singapore, thailand and finally china...always chasing 2 things
1...cheap labour
2...government tax havens...

at the final stages thailand and china i was employing 350 people...at the end i sold out...had enough...

now i am back on manufacturing, but doing it differently...currently in china but with contract manufacturing only...no more factories...a lot of companies are doing it this way....end of the day though still in china...

china will own everyones ass sooner than later...so in short i see nothing but protectionism coming back, hence why i use contract manufacturing as i want to be free and able to diversify in the near future in my own country...

[vaughanwilliams]

On the 20th of July of every single year…

On the 20th of July of every single year, you the “Turkish Cypriots” refresh our memories well as to who the enemy really is. You do this by hoisting bogus flags you’ve recently invented while screaming on top of your voices as a jubilant military parade marches on, and social functions take place that decorate the “heroes” who altered the course of Cyprus’ 10,000 year old history to resemble anything but Cypriot!.

Indeed, we are well reminded of the Ethnic Cleansing of 180,000 of our people, the uprooting from our 10,000 year old ancestral land and homes, the murder of 5,000 odd fiends and relatives, the rape of our sisters, daughters, wives, and grandmothers, and the violation of our beautiful motherland that continues 35 years on!

Yet, these “Turkish Cypriots” have the audacity to complain of “embargoes” and “isolation” of this internationally condemned occupied territory of Cyprus… the very territory that THEY along with Turkish military forces ethnically cleansed and committed horrendous crimes against our people!

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Yes, we are well reminded and thus never forget…

Saved you the trouble, then?