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[Piratis]

Leyla Zana (born May 3, 1961), is a Kurdish female politician of Kurdish descent from Eastern Turkey, who was imprisoned for 10 years for speaking her native language of Kurdish in the Turkish Parliament after taking her parliamentary oath and for her political actions which were claimed to be against the unity of Turkey. She was a member of pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party for a short time. She is banned from joining any political party for five years with the Constitutional Court's decision to ban this party.

She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995 and in 1998 and was awarded the 1995 Sakharov Prize by the European Parliament, but was unable to collect it until her release in 2004.

In 1991 she became the first Kurdish woman to win a seat in the Turkish parliament. She created a scandal when she spoke Kurdish on the floor of the parliament after being sworn in, as speaking Kurdish in the public arena is a criminal offense in Turkey.[1] The Kurdish language, even when spoken in private, had been illegal for decades in Turkey.[1] Only in that year, 1991, was the Kurdish language finally legalized, though speaking Kurdish remained illegal in public spaces, as Zana was sworn in.[1] Her remarks ended,

I swear by my honor and my dignity before the great Turkish people to protect the integrity and independence of the State, the indivisible unity of people and homeland, and the unquestionable and unconditional sovereignty of the people. I swear loyalty to the Constitution. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.[2]

Only the final sentence of the oath was spoken in Kurdish: "I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people."[2]

Although Zana's parliamentary immunity protected her, after she joined the Democracy Party, that party was banned and her immunity was stripped. In December 1994, along with four other Democracy Party MPs (Hatip Dicle, Selim Sadak and Orhan Dogan), she was arrested and charged with treason and membership in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The treason charges were not put before the court, and Zana denied PKK affiliation; but with the prosecution relying on witness statements allegedly obtained under torture [1], Zana and the others were sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her sentencing, she asserted,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana

there are heaps of articles about leyla...just google it...

Correct. Does she support an independent Kurdistan, or does she support autonomy for Kurds within Turkey?

What does Christofias and most parties in Cyprus support as the solution of the Cyprus Problem? Do you not realize that most politicians will support what they believe to be feasible, even though it might be very different from what they really want?

If the Kurds could have an independent State do you think they would say "no thanks, we just want some autonomy", I really don't think so.

[boomerang]

Leyla Zana (born May 3, 1961), is a Kurdish female politician of Kurdish descent from Eastern Turkey, who was imprisoned for 10 years for speaking her native language of Kurdish in the Turkish Parliament after taking her parliamentary oath and for her political actions which were claimed to be against the unity of Turkey. She was a member of pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party for a short time. She is banned from joining any political party for five years with the Constitutional Court's decision to ban this party.

She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995 and in 1998 and was awarded the 1995 Sakharov Prize by the European Parliament, but was unable to collect it until her release in 2004.

In 1991 she became the first Kurdish woman to win a seat in the Turkish parliament. She created a scandal when she spoke Kurdish on the floor of the parliament after being sworn in, as speaking Kurdish in the public arena is a criminal offense in Turkey.[1] The Kurdish language, even when spoken in private, had been illegal for decades in Turkey.[1] Only in that year, 1991, was the Kurdish language finally legalized, though speaking Kurdish remained illegal in public spaces, as Zana was sworn in.[1] Her remarks ended,

I swear by my honor and my dignity before the great Turkish people to protect the integrity and independence of the State, the indivisible unity of people and homeland, and the unquestionable and unconditional sovereignty of the people. I swear loyalty to the Constitution. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.[2]

Only the final sentence of the oath was spoken in Kurdish: "I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people."[2]

Although Zana's parliamentary immunity protected her, after she joined the Democracy Party, that party was banned and her immunity was stripped. In December 1994, along with four other Democracy Party MPs (Hatip Dicle, Selim Sadak and Orhan Dogan), she was arrested and charged with treason and membership in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The treason charges were not put before the court, and Zana denied PKK affiliation; but with the prosecution relying on witness statements allegedly obtained under torture [1], Zana and the others were sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her sentencing, she asserted,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana

there are heaps of articles about leyla...just google it...

Correct. Does she support an independent Kurdistan, or does she support autonomy for Kurds within Turkey?

after reading her speech tim, i think she is preaching co-existence...

there is no denial that turkeish is the main language in turkey adn should be taught for the sake of everyone getting along, but as with modern countries, alternatives are alwyas there...for example, in oz, english is taught everywhere but you have a choice of schools, either greek, itralian or muslim schools...also the country supports a multicultural intellect where every government leaflet is printed in your own language...you can take a driving test in your own language, where in the 70's only english was used and if you didin't speak tough titties, no driving licence for you...

the point turkey is missing, rather than outlawing multiculturism, it's better to embrace it and explore its diversity...

After the Turkish war of independence, which ended in 1923, arguments ensued about what to call the new country. By choosing to call the country "Turkey" and its citizens "Turks," who were clearly the most numerous ethnic group in this country, Atatürk and his followers unwittingly created a problem for non-ethnic Turks - the most numerous of whom were the Kurds - in that new country. Atatürk and his colleagues wanted the word "Turk" to mean a citizen of that country irrespective of ethnicity or religion. But the word "Turk" was also used to describe an ethnic identity which made other non-ethnic Turks unsure of their position in the state. Since they were not ethnic Turks, the confusing and double meaning of the word "Turk" - now to mean both ethnic and national identities - made some non-ethnic Turks wonder whether they could be full citizens of this new republic.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29799

I also understand that ataturk had to unify the country after the war of independance, but there is no need to continue policies since year dot,..those policies are well and trully outdated today...

the reason turkey eased up on the kurdish language today is due to her EU aspirations...change must come within and not forced upon coz it creates resentment...

a lot of what she says mind you should apply to cuprus...

[Tim Drayton]

And when the Kurds started to demand their own free state on what is essentially their own land (Kurdistand) you started murdering them by the 1000s. And then Tim wonders why the Kurds in Turkey don't come out publicly to support a free Kurdistan.

One second, we cannot use a TRNC flag as an avatar on a piddling forum like this - let's stay closer to home and reality for us, freedoms crushed? You trounce on our freedoms every day.

As more "enlightened modern people" of this generation that can understand pluralistic values and rights to identity, Turkey can be seen to be moving forward, not so the moderators or bloggers on this forum.

Next relevant point please.

You think you have the freedom to steal our lands, ethnically cleanse us, replace us with Anatolian Settlers and have some "Turkish State" on land which belongs by over 80% to us? Of course you don't have such freedom.

In fact Kurdistan and north Cyprus are similar in that both territories are forcefully ruled by Turks, while they should have been ruled democratically by their native people. The Turks deny this right to both us in north Cyprus and the Kurds in Kurdistan.

Piratis, my friend, please take pity on me and help me out with your deep, expert knowledge of Turkey, now that I realise that I am some stupid foreigner that knows nothing. My problem is to the precise location of this place you refer to as Kurdistan. According to the few scraps of information I was able to assemble in my weak British brain in all the years I lived in Turkey when I made freinds with countless Turkish and Kurdish people and from the bookshelf of Turkish books behind me which I have read, Anatolia is basically a mosaic of peoples. Although Kurds are concentrated in the south-east of the country (and I certainly noticed when I was in Digor Sub-province of Kars province that everybody there was speaking Kurdish - well, noticed I say, perhaps my thick, non-Hellenic mind was mistaken) there are Kurdish villages spread out across a lot of the country. For example, what I believe is referred to as the Central Anatolian Region which is located bang in the middle of the country and includes the capital Ankara (have I got that right?) and is an overwhelmingly Turkish-speaking area with a population of more than 10 million, there are neverthless dispersed across this region Kurdish villages with a total population of about 1 million. Perhaps I have got this wrong. If so, please, with your superior Hellenic intellect correct me if I have, and just to help confirm things, here is a list of these villages (based on my feeble attempt to conduct some reaserch of my own):

Cihanbeyli
Beşkardeş
Beyliova
Bulduk(Gunde Bulduq)
Çimen
Çölköy
Damlakuyu
Beşkavak(Büyük)
Beşkavak(Küçük)
Gölyazı(Xalikan)
Günyüzü(Cudkan)
Kandil
Kelhasan
Kırıkışla(Molıka)
Kutukkuşağı(Kutiga)
Kuşca(Hacilaro)
Sağlık
Yapalı(Qemera)
Yeniceoba(İncove)
Zaferiye(Kayışoğlu)
Kulu
Acıkuyu(Birtalik)
Altılar
Arsinci(Germik)
Beşkardeş(Torına)
Burnagil
Bozan
Celep
Çöpler(Copli)
Dipdede
Gökler
Hisar
Karacadağ(Xalikan)
Karacadere
Kirkpınar
Şerefli
Yazıcıçayır(Mehina)
Yeşilyurt(Celikan)
Tavşançalı(Omaro)
Zincirlikuyu(Gordoğlu)
Sarayönü
Boyalı
Kadıoğlu
Sarıkaya
Yunak
Beşışıklı
Çayırbaşı
Hatırlı(Gunde xofe)
Hacıfakılı(Kamaran)
Hacıomeroğlu(Hacımaran)
Imamoğlu(Bodan)
Karayayla
Kurtuşağı(Kurdan)
Koçyazı(Civikan)
Meselij
Odabaşı(Halisinan)
Ortakışla
Özyayla
Saray(Golan ga)
Sinanlı
Sülüklü(Galikan)
Çeltik
Kaşören(Rengan)
Adakasim(Sorikan)
Büyükhasan
Isakuşağı(Sagan)
Küçükhasan



Haymana
Balcıhisar
Bumsuz
Bostanyüklü
Cihanşah
Dikkulak
Hacımusa
Inler
Kerpiç
Kırpolu
Sazbağları
Sebilibağlar
Sindiran
Tepeköy
Yenice
Yenicik
Yurtbeyli
Bala
Aşağıhacıbekir
Aşağıören
Aydogan
Bektaşlı
Büyükbıyık
Büyükcamili
Çiğdemli
Derekışla
Eğribasan
Erginköy
Kesikköprü
Küçükbıyık
Küçükcamili
Tatarhöyük
Tepeköy
Sugüzel
Yukarıhacıbekir


Kayabaşı; Şêxbizînî
Yenimehmetli(Rûta Newalê); Rûtan
Sapanca(Koçika); Rûtan
Hacımusa(Hacî Musa); Canbeg
Karabenli(Rûtê Gazê); Rûtan
İnler(Mîkaîla); Mîkaîlî-Milî
Ilıca(İlce); Mîkaîlî
Hacımusul; Rûtan
Sinanlı(Sîna Şûşê); Canbeg
Kürttaciri-Özyurt(Têcîrê Kirmanca); Canbeg
Uzunbeyli(Uzunbeg); Canbeg
Yüzükbaşı; Canbeg
Yeşilöz(Memela/Kokar) ;Canbeg-Têrikan
Haciosmanoğlu(Hecosmana); Canbeg
Yukarı Tüfekçioğlu; Canbeg
Eski Karsak(Zirkan); Zirkan
Karapınar; Erzurumdan gelen Kürtlerin son yıllarda yerleşmiş olduğu köy
Ada Toprakpınar; Canbeg
Mıcıkoğlu(Micixa); Canbeg
Gülpınar(Milsêva); Têrikan-Canbeg
Şihahmetli(Qirpoli); Canbeg
Büyük Damlacik
Küçük Damlacik
Şanlıkışla
Büyükkışla
Odun Boğazı
Akarca
Yusuf Kuyusu


borucu(borji)
karakuyu
karamemet(memareş)
yanyurt(kurdalo)
ekecik
kalebalta
salmanlı
sarıağıl
gelesin
çekiçler
alayhan(alaxo)
b.pörnek
k.pörnek
tepesidelik
tol
taptuk
akin(axin)
bebek
kızılcıtol
seydo jor
e.seyhler(şıxa)
sarath


Çiçekdağı
Çiçekdağı(Çiçek)
Acıköy(Sorik)
Alahacıli(Galikan)
Bahçepınar(Torin)
Baraklı
Çanakpınar(Ramiko)
Dohankaş(Kungus)
Konurkale(Konir)
Mahmutlu(Qişle)
Pohrek(Gedar)
Şahinoğlu
Yalnızağaç(Zekera)
Boztepe
Çamalak
Çevirme
Çiğdeli
Çimenli
Harmanaltı(Sayiplı)
Hüseyinli
Kulhüyük
Öksüzkale(Haladin)
Üçkuyu
Uzunpınar
Akçakent
Avanoğlu
Navend
Gollu
Körpınar(Kaniya kurik)
Seyrekköy(Hurmik)
Taburoğlu
Taşınburnu (Mala bene)
Yeşiloba (Guri)
Kaman
Ağapınar
Çadırlıhacıbayram
Çadırlıkörmehmet
Hirfanlar
KekilliAli
MollaOsmanlar

Have I got that right? You see, to my puny Anglo-Saxon intellect, it would seem that there simply exists no such place in Turkey that one could identify as being Kurdistan. Kurdish villages are scattered across much of the country, even if they are concentrated in one area, and are interspersed with villages whose inhabitants have different ethnic identities. I have travelled a bit around Turkey and visited villages and that is the impression I have formed. I accept that I may have got that wrong. Of course, with your brilliant Greek intellect, you will know better than me without ever having been there. Please take pity on an intellectually challenged non-Greek and enlighten me.

PS - As you will realsie, because all peoples of the world worship Greece and the Greeks I am overjoyed as a European at having had to help pay for a bailout in which every family in Greece has received over 50,000 euro. Just one thing I cannot get my head around. If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?

Very grateful as a poor Anglo-Saxon retard to receive any enlightenment you can give me. Thanks.

[Tim Drayton]

Leyla Zana (born May 3, 1961), is a Kurdish female politician of Kurdish descent from Eastern Turkey, who was imprisoned for 10 years for speaking her native language of Kurdish in the Turkish Parliament after taking her parliamentary oath and for her political actions which were claimed to be against the unity of Turkey. She was a member of pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party for a short time. She is banned from joining any political party for five years with the Constitutional Court's decision to ban this party.

She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995 and in 1998 and was awarded the 1995 Sakharov Prize by the European Parliament, but was unable to collect it until her release in 2004.

In 1991 she became the first Kurdish woman to win a seat in the Turkish parliament. She created a scandal when she spoke Kurdish on the floor of the parliament after being sworn in, as speaking Kurdish in the public arena is a criminal offense in Turkey.[1] The Kurdish language, even when spoken in private, had been illegal for decades in Turkey.[1] Only in that year, 1991, was the Kurdish language finally legalized, though speaking Kurdish remained illegal in public spaces, as Zana was sworn in.[1] Her remarks ended,

I swear by my honor and my dignity before the great Turkish people to protect the integrity and independence of the State, the indivisible unity of people and homeland, and the unquestionable and unconditional sovereignty of the people. I swear loyalty to the Constitution. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.[2]

Only the final sentence of the oath was spoken in Kurdish: "I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people."[2]

Although Zana's parliamentary immunity protected her, after she joined the Democracy Party, that party was banned and her immunity was stripped. In December 1994, along with four other Democracy Party MPs (Hatip Dicle, Selim Sadak and Orhan Dogan), she was arrested and charged with treason and membership in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The treason charges were not put before the court, and Zana denied PKK affiliation; but with the prosecution relying on witness statements allegedly obtained under torture [1], Zana and the others were sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her sentencing, she asserted,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana

there are heaps of articles about leyla...just google it...

Correct. Does she support an independent Kurdistan, or does she support autonomy for Kurds within Turkey?

after reading her speech tim, i think she is preaching co-existence...

there is no denial that turkeish is the main language in turkey adn should be taught for the sake of everyone getting along, but as with modern countries, alternatives are alwyas there...for example, in oz, english is taught everywhere but you have a choice of schools, either greek, itralian or muslim schools...also the country supports a multicultural intellect where every government leaflet is printed in your own language...you can take a driving test in your own language, where in the 70's only english was used and if you didin't speak tough titties, no driving licence for you...

the point turkey is missing, rather than outlawing multiculturism, it's better to embrace it and explore its diversity...

After the Turkish war of independence, which ended in 1923, arguments ensued about what to call the new country. By choosing to call the country "Turkey" and its citizens "Turks," who were clearly the most numerous ethnic group in this country, Atatürk and his followers unwittingly created a problem for non-ethnic Turks - the most numerous of whom were the Kurds - in that new country. Atatürk and his colleagues wanted the word "Turk" to mean a citizen of that country irrespective of ethnicity or religion. But the word "Turk" was also used to describe an ethnic identity which made other non-ethnic Turks unsure of their position in the state. Since they were not ethnic Turks, the confusing and double meaning of the word "Turk" - now to mean both ethnic and national identities - made some non-ethnic Turks wonder whether they could be full citizens of this new republic.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29799

I also understand that ataturk had to unify the country after the war of independance, but there is no need to continue policies since year dot,..those policies are well and trully outdated today...

the reason turkey eased up on the kurdish language today is due to her EU aspirations...change must come within and not forced upon coz it creates resentment...

a lot of what she says mind you should apply to cuprus...

As always I agree 100% with you. The reforms that are currently taking place are too late, and don't go far enough.

[YFred]

And when the Kurds started to demand their own free state on what is essentially their own land (Kurdistand) you started murdering them by the 1000s. And then Tim wonders why the Kurds in Turkey don't come out publicly to support a free Kurdistan.

One second, we cannot use a TRNC flag as an avatar on a piddling forum like this - let's stay closer to home and reality for us, freedoms crushed? You trounce on our freedoms every day.

As more "enlightened modern people" of this generation that can understand pluralistic values and rights to identity, Turkey can be seen to be moving forward, not so the moderators or bloggers on this forum.

Next relevant point please.

You think you have the freedom to steal our lands, ethnically cleanse us, replace us with Anatolian Settlers and have some "Turkish State" on land which belongs by over 80% to us? Of course you don't have such freedom.

In fact Kurdistan and north Cyprus are similar in that both territories are forcefully ruled by Turks, while they should have been ruled democratically by their native people. The Turks deny this right to both us in north Cyprus and the Kurds in Kurdistan.

Piratis, my friend, please take pity on me and help me out with your deep, expert knowledge of Turkey, now that I realise that I am some stupid foreigner that knows nothing. My problem is to the precise location of this place you refer to as Kurdistan. According to the few scraps of information I was able to assemble in my weak British brain in all the years I lived in Turkey when I made freinds with countless Turkish and Kurdish people and from the bookshelf of Turkish books behind me which I have read, Anatolia is basically a mosaic of peoples. Although Kurds are concentrated in the south-east of the country (and I certainly noticed when I was in Digor Sub-province of Kars province that everybody there was speaking Kurdish - well, noticed I say, perhaps my thick, non-Hellenic mind was mistaken) there are Kurdish villages spread out across a lot of the country. For example, what I believe is referred to as the Central Anatolian Region which is located bang in the middle of the country and includes the capital Ankara (have I got that right?) and is an overwhelmingly Turkish-speaking area with a population of more than 10 million, there are neverthless dispersed across this region Kurdish villages with a total population of about 1 million. Perhaps I have got this wrong. If so, please, with your superior Hellenic intellect correct me if I have, and just to help confirm things, here is a list of these villages (based on my feeble attempt to conduct some reaserch of my own):

Cihanbeyli
Beşkardeş
Beyliova
Bulduk(Gunde Bulduq)
Çimen
Çölköy
Damlakuyu
Beşkavak(Büyük)
Beşkavak(Küçük)
Gölyazı(Xalikan)
Günyüzü(Cudkan)
Kandil
Kelhasan
Kırıkışla(Molıka)
Kutukkuşağı(Kutiga)
Kuşca(Hacilaro)
Sağlık
Yapalı(Qemera)
Yeniceoba(İncove)
Zaferiye(Kayışoğlu)
Kulu
Acıkuyu(Birtalik)
Altılar
Arsinci(Germik)
Beşkardeş(Torına)
Burnagil
Bozan
Celep
Çöpler(Copli)
Dipdede
Gökler
Hisar
Karacadağ(Xalikan)
Karacadere
Kirkpınar
Şerefli
Yazıcıçayır(Mehina)
Yeşilyurt(Celikan)
Tavşançalı(Omaro)
Zincirlikuyu(Gordoğlu)
Sarayönü
Boyalı
Kadıoğlu
Sarıkaya
Yunak
Beşışıklı
Çayırbaşı
Hatırlı(Gunde xofe)
Hacıfakılı(Kamaran)
Hacıomeroğlu(Hacımaran)
Imamoğlu(Bodan)
Karayayla
Kurtuşağı(Kurdan)
Koçyazı(Civikan)
Meselij
Odabaşı(Halisinan)
Ortakışla
Özyayla
Saray(Golan ga)
Sinanlı
Sülüklü(Galikan)
Çeltik
Kaşören(Rengan)
Adakasim(Sorikan)
Büyükhasan
Isakuşağı(Sagan)
Küçükhasan



Haymana
Balcıhisar
Bumsuz
Bostanyüklü
Cihanşah
Dikkulak
Hacımusa
Inler
Kerpiç
Kırpolu
Sazbağları
Sebilibağlar
Sindiran
Tepeköy
Yenice
Yenicik
Yurtbeyli
Bala
Aşağıhacıbekir
Aşağıören
Aydogan
Bektaşlı
Büyükbıyık
Büyükcamili
Çiğdemli
Derekışla
Eğribasan
Erginköy
Kesikköprü
Küçükbıyık
Küçükcamili
Tatarhöyük
Tepeköy
Sugüzel
Yukarıhacıbekir


Kayabaşı; Şêxbizînî
Yenimehmetli(Rûta Newalê); Rûtan
Sapanca(Koçika); Rûtan
Hacımusa(Hacî Musa); Canbeg
Karabenli(Rûtê Gazê); Rûtan
İnler(Mîkaîla); Mîkaîlî-Milî
Ilıca(İlce); Mîkaîlî
Hacımusul; Rûtan
Sinanlı(Sîna Şûşê); Canbeg
Kürttaciri-Özyurt(Têcîrê Kirmanca); Canbeg
Uzunbeyli(Uzunbeg); Canbeg
Yüzükbaşı; Canbeg
Yeşilöz(Memela/Kokar) ;Canbeg-Têrikan
Haciosmanoğlu(Hecosmana); Canbeg
Yukarı Tüfekçioğlu; Canbeg
Eski Karsak(Zirkan); Zirkan
Karapınar; Erzurumdan gelen Kürtlerin son yıllarda yerleşmiş olduğu köy
Ada Toprakpınar; Canbeg
Mıcıkoğlu(Micixa); Canbeg
Gülpınar(Milsêva); Têrikan-Canbeg
Şihahmetli(Qirpoli); Canbeg
Büyük Damlacik
Küçük Damlacik
Şanlıkışla
Büyükkışla
Odun Boğazı
Akarca
Yusuf Kuyusu


borucu(borji)
karakuyu
karamemet(memareş)
yanyurt(kurdalo)
ekecik
kalebalta
salmanlı
sarıağıl
gelesin
çekiçler
alayhan(alaxo)
b.pörnek
k.pörnek
tepesidelik
tol
taptuk
akin(axin)
bebek
kızılcıtol
seydo jor
e.seyhler(şıxa)
sarath


Çiçekdağı
Çiçekdağı(Çiçek)
Acıköy(Sorik)
Alahacıli(Galikan)
Bahçepınar(Torin)
Baraklı
Çanakpınar(Ramiko)
Dohankaş(Kungus)
Konurkale(Konir)
Mahmutlu(Qişle)
Pohrek(Gedar)
Şahinoğlu
Yalnızağaç(Zekera)
Boztepe
Çamalak
Çevirme
Çiğdeli
Çimenli
Harmanaltı(Sayiplı)
Hüseyinli
Kulhüyük
Öksüzkale(Haladin)
Üçkuyu
Uzunpınar
Akçakent
Avanoğlu
Navend
Gollu
Körpınar(Kaniya kurik)
Seyrekköy(Hurmik)
Taburoğlu
Taşınburnu (Mala bene)
Yeşiloba (Guri)
Kaman
Ağapınar
Çadırlıhacıbayram
Çadırlıkörmehmet
Hirfanlar
KekilliAli
MollaOsmanlar

Have I got that right? You see, to my puny Anglo-Saxon intellect, it would seem that there simply exists no such place in Turkey that one could identify as being Kurdistan. Kurdish villages are scattered across much of the country, even if they are concentrated in one area, and are interspersed with villages whose inhabitants have different ethnic identities. I have travelled a bit around Turkey and visited villages and that is the impression I have formed. I accept that I may have got that wrong. Of course, with your brilliant Greek intellect, you will know better than me without ever having been there. Please take pity on an intellectually challenged non-Greek and enlighten me.

PS - As you will realsie, because all peoples of the world worship Greece and the Greeks I am overjoyed as a European at having had to help pay for a bailout in which every family in Greece has received over 50,000 euro. Just one thing I cannot get my head around. If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?

Very grateful as a poor Anglo-Saxon retard to receive any enlightenment you can give me. Thanks.

That is the best post on the forum so far.

You see Tim, your problem is very simple really, you just aint greek. Get my drift.
You will never be able to join our ranks as an equal.

[Gasman]

If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?

I think it's because they are too interlektual to worry their heads with stuff like filthy money.

Anyway, I've been assured on here that they do NOT have a problem - or at least no more of a problem than the rest of the EU countries have.

So why have they been singled out to get all this money?

Very strange ...

[YFred]

If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?

I think it's because they are too interlektual to worry their heads with stuff like filthy money.

Anyway, I've been assured on here that they do NOT have a problem - or at least no more of a problem than the rest of the EU countries have.

So why have they been singled out to get all this money?

Very strange ...

For the whole financial world to declare a county as junk for investment purposes is some statement. I bet EU is sorry they let the old Kalamaraes into the eu.

[boomerang]

a lot of countries will be in trouble the next few years tim...greece is the tip of the iceburg...every country that exported manufacturiung offshore and embraced a service economy will be in trouble...i see protectionism sneaking in the next 5-10 years...

i have been in the import/export business the last 25 years and this offshoring business is worrysome...not only manufacturing is lost to other countries with cheaper labour, but the unemployment line has got bigger. it actyually affects the standard of living it also brings explotation to the surface with in the country...

this is the point i do not understand as to why turkey wants to join the EU...by joining the eu, the average standard rises, driving business away offshore...

well we all know the primary agenda as to why the AKP wants to join anyway...

[denizaksulu]

And when the Kurds started to demand their own free state on what is essentially their own land (Kurdistand) you started murdering them by the 1000s. And then Tim wonders why the Kurds in Turkey don't come out publicly to support a free Kurdistan.

One second, we cannot use a TRNC flag as an avatar on a piddling forum like this - let's stay closer to home and reality for us, freedoms crushed? You trounce on our freedoms every day.

As more "enlightened modern people" of this generation that can understand pluralistic values and rights to identity, Turkey can be seen to be moving forward, not so the moderators or bloggers on this forum.

Next relevant point please.

You think you have the freedom to steal our lands, ethnically cleanse us, replace us with Anatolian Settlers and have some "Turkish State" on land which belongs by over 80% to us? Of course you don't have such freedom.

In fact Kurdistan and north Cyprus are similar in that both territories are forcefully ruled by Turks, while they should have been ruled democratically by their native people. The Turks deny this right to both us in north Cyprus and the Kurds in Kurdistan.

Piratis, my friend, please take pity on me and help me out with your deep, expert knowledge of Turkey, now that I realise that I am some stupid foreigner that knows nothing. My problem is to the precise location of this place you refer to as Kurdistan. According to the few scraps of information I was able to assemble in my weak British brain in all the years I lived in Turkey when I made freinds with countless Turkish and Kurdish people and from the bookshelf of Turkish books behind me which I have read, Anatolia is basically a mosaic of peoples. Although Kurds are concentrated in the south-east of the country (and I certainly noticed when I was in Digor Sub-province of Kars province that everybody there was speaking Kurdish - well, noticed I say, perhaps my thick, non-Hellenic mind was mistaken) there are Kurdish villages spread out across a lot of the country. For example, what I believe is referred to as the Central Anatolian Region which is located bang in the middle of the country and includes the capital Ankara (have I got that right?) and is an overwhelmingly Turkish-speaking area with a population of more than 10 million, there are neverthless dispersed across this region Kurdish villages with a total population of about 1 million. Perhaps I have got this wrong. If so, please, with your superior Hellenic intellect correct me if I have, and just to help confirm things, here is a list of these villages (based on my feeble attempt to conduct some reaserch of my own):

Cihanbeyli
Beşkardeş
Beyliova
Bulduk(Gunde Bulduq)
Çimen
Çölköy
Damlakuyu
Beşkavak(Büyük)
Beşkavak(Küçük)
Gölyazı(Xalikan)
Günyüzü(Cudkan)
Kandil
Kelhasan
Kırıkışla(Molıka)
Kutukkuşağı(Kutiga)
Kuşca(Hacilaro)
Sağlık
Yapalı(Qemera)
Yeniceoba(İncove)
Zaferiye(Kayışoğlu)
Kulu
Acıkuyu(Birtalik)
Altılar
Arsinci(Germik)
Beşkardeş(Torına)
Burnagil
Bozan
Celep
Çöpler(Copli)
Dipdede
Gökler
Hisar
Karacadağ(Xalikan)
Karacadere
Kirkpınar
Şerefli
Yazıcıçayır(Mehina)
Yeşilyurt(Celikan)
Tavşançalı(Omaro)
Zincirlikuyu(Gordoğlu)
Sarayönü
Boyalı
Kadıoğlu
Sarıkaya
Yunak
Beşışıklı
Çayırbaşı
Hatırlı(Gunde xofe)
Hacıfakılı(Kamaran)
Hacıomeroğlu(Hacımaran)
Imamoğlu(Bodan)
Karayayla
Kurtuşağı(Kurdan)
Koçyazı(Civikan)
Meselij
Odabaşı(Halisinan)
Ortakışla
Özyayla
Saray(Golan ga)
Sinanlı
Sülüklü(Galikan)
Çeltik
Kaşören(Rengan)
Adakasim(Sorikan)
Büyükhasan
Isakuşağı(Sagan)
Küçükhasan



Haymana
Balcıhisar
Bumsuz
Bostanyüklü
Cihanşah
Dikkulak
Hacımusa
Inler
Kerpiç
Kırpolu
Sazbağları
Sebilibağlar
Sindiran
Tepeköy
Yenice
Yenicik
Yurtbeyli
Bala
Aşağıhacıbekir
Aşağıören
Aydogan
Bektaşlı
Büyükbıyık
Büyükcamili
Çiğdemli
Derekışla
Eğribasan
Erginköy
Kesikköprü
Küçükbıyık
Küçükcamili
Tatarhöyük
Tepeköy
Sugüzel
Yukarıhacıbekir


Kayabaşı; Şêxbizînî
Yenimehmetli(Rûta Newalê); Rûtan
Sapanca(Koçika); Rûtan
Hacımusa(Hacî Musa); Canbeg
Karabenli(Rûtê Gazê); Rûtan
İnler(Mîkaîla); Mîkaîlî-Milî
Ilıca(İlce); Mîkaîlî
Hacımusul; Rûtan
Sinanlı(Sîna Şûşê); Canbeg
Kürttaciri-Özyurt(Têcîrê Kirmanca); Canbeg
Uzunbeyli(Uzunbeg); Canbeg
Yüzükbaşı; Canbeg
Yeşilöz(Memela/Kokar) ;Canbeg-Têrikan
Haciosmanoğlu(Hecosmana); Canbeg
Yukarı Tüfekçioğlu; Canbeg
Eski Karsak(Zirkan); Zirkan
Karapınar; Erzurumdan gelen Kürtlerin son yıllarda yerleşmiş olduğu köy
Ada Toprakpınar; Canbeg
Mıcıkoğlu(Micixa); Canbeg
Gülpınar(Milsêva); Têrikan-Canbeg
Şihahmetli(Qirpoli); Canbeg
Büyük Damlacik
Küçük Damlacik
Şanlıkışla
Büyükkışla
Odun Boğazı
Akarca
Yusuf Kuyusu


borucu(borji)
karakuyu
karamemet(memareş)
yanyurt(kurdalo)
ekecik
kalebalta
salmanlı
sarıağıl
gelesin
çekiçler
alayhan(alaxo)
b.pörnek
k.pörnek
tepesidelik
tol
taptuk
akin(axin)
bebek
kızılcıtol
seydo jor
e.seyhler(şıxa)
sarath


Çiçekdağı
Çiçekdağı(Çiçek)
Acıköy(Sorik)
Alahacıli(Galikan)
Bahçepınar(Torin)
Baraklı
Çanakpınar(Ramiko)
Dohankaş(Kungus)
Konurkale(Konir)
Mahmutlu(Qişle)
Pohrek(Gedar)
Şahinoğlu
Yalnızağaç(Zekera)
Boztepe
Çamalak
Çevirme
Çiğdeli
Çimenli
Harmanaltı(Sayiplı)
Hüseyinli
Kulhüyük
Öksüzkale(Haladin)
Üçkuyu
Uzunpınar
Akçakent
Avanoğlu
Navend
Gollu
Körpınar(Kaniya kurik)
Seyrekköy(Hurmik)
Taburoğlu
Taşınburnu (Mala bene)
Yeşiloba (Guri)
Kaman
Ağapınar
Çadırlıhacıbayram
Çadırlıkörmehmet
Hirfanlar
KekilliAli
MollaOsmanlar

Have I got that right? You see, to my puny Anglo-Saxon intellect, it would seem that there simply exists no such place in Turkey that one could identify as being Kurdistan. Kurdish villages are scattered across much of the country, even if they are concentrated in one area, and are interspersed with villages whose inhabitants have different ethnic identities. I have travelled a bit around Turkey and visited villages and that is the impression I have formed. I accept that I may have got that wrong. Of course, with your brilliant Greek intellect, you will know better than me without ever having been there. Please take pity on an intellectually challenged non-Greek and enlighten me.

PS - As you will realsie, because all peoples of the world worship Greece and the Greeks I am overjoyed as a European at having had to help pay for a bailout in which every family in Greece has received over 50,000 euro. Just one thing I cannot get my head around. If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?

Very grateful as a poor Anglo-Saxon retard to receive any enlightenment you can give me. Thanks.

That is the best post on the forum so far.

You see Tim, your problem is very simple really, you just aint greek. Get my drift.
You will never be able to join our ranks as an equal.

Now I am even more confused. I thought the Gatsuras became Greek, are you now saying the Greek Gatsuras became Turkish?

[Tim Drayton]

a lot of countries will be in trouble the next few years tim...greece is the tip of the iceburg...every country that exported manufacturiung offshore and embraced a service economy will be in trouble...i see protectionism sneaking in the next 5-10 years...

i have been in the import/export business the last 25 years and this offshoring business is worrysome...not only manufacturing is lost to other countries with cheaper labour, but the unemployment line has got bigger. it actyually affects the standard of living it also brings explotation to the surface with in the country...

this is the point i do not understand as to why turkey wants to join the EU...by joining the eu, the average standard rises, driving business away offshore...

well we all know the primary agenda as to why the AKP wants to join anyway...

Sorry, it is just a dig, but if somebody is going to imply that my opinion counts for less than theirs simple on grounds of nationality, that's what they will get. It is not the most auspicious of times for those who want to blow the Greek trumpet, you must admit.