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[denizaksulu]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

Kikapu, the Kurds have only started to develop a sense of national consciousness over the past few decades; no such notion existed at the time of the war of liberation.

What does that mean, Tim, that the Kurds in general knew nothing or cared about their Human Rights being violated up until few years ago.??

At the time of The War of Independence, the Kurds had NO idea of Human Rights violations; come to that, nor did many other 'peoples'.

[Piratis]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

On a recent visit to a tea production plant in the largely Kurdish city of Diyarbakır, the Kurdish-speaking Minister of Agriculture Mehmet Mehdi Eker was widely reported to have picked up a handful of tea, smelled it and said in Kurdish:
"Çayêke delal ê" [This is lovely tea],
following which AKP MP for Diyarbakır, Abdurrahman Kurt, is reported to have added his own praise for the quality of the tea in Kurdish.
This is a move in the right direction, and would have been impossible to imagine on an official visit in Turkey 10 years ago.
Why am I wasting my time telling you this? You don't want to know. According to you, the world stopped about 30 years ago.

WOW. This is a lovely tea! I could not have imagined that in just 30 years there could be such a huge progress! And then I foolishly believe that most Kurds want a free Kurdistan. I must be wrong. They should just be patient, and in another 300 years there might be a minister that will say a whole paragraph in Kurdish ... maybe about coffee this time

[denizaksulu]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

On a recent visit to a tea production plant in the largely Kurdish city of Diyarbakır, the Kurdish-speaking Minister of Agriculture Mehmet Mehdi Eker was widely reported to have picked up a handful of tea, smelled it and said in Kurdish:
"Çayêke delal ê" [This is lovely tea],
following which AKP MP for Diyarbakır, Abdurrahman Kurt, is reported to have added his own praise for the quality of the tea in Kurdish.
This is a move in the right direction, and would have been impossible to imagine on an official visit in Turkey 10 years ago.
Why am I wasting my time telling you this? You don't want to know. According to you, the world stopped about 30 years ago.

WOW. This is a lovely tea! I could not have imagined that in just 30 years there could be such a huge progress! And then I foolishly believe that most Kurds want a free Kurdistan. I must be wrong. They should just be patient, and in another 300 years there might be a minister that will say a whole paragraph in Kurdish ... maybe about coffee this time

OMG, did I sense a attempt at a sense of humour from Pitatis. Well, he is hum,an after all.

Work on it mate, a long way to go but you will get there eventually.

[Kikapu]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

Much less than what they deserved as far as I am concerned. But that does not change the fact that they had the cultural, linguistic and religious ties with the Turks to fight against what they considered as the common enemy. That stands galaxies apart from TCs fighting with the EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece.

Perhaps had the TCs fought alongside with the GCs in 1974, despite what had happened in 1963 to defend Cyprus from the common enemy, the Enosis seeking Junta of Greece at a time when overwhelming majority of the GCs no longer were interested in Enosis with Greece, there would have been also a new beginning for all Cypriots, despite not having a common religious, linguistic or cultural ties between the communities, but a common homeland worth defending. Unfortunately, Taksim Dreams were all too alive in 1974, well after Enosis Dreams had died to prevent such actions by the TCs, which today, the same situation of Taksim still exists.!

[Tim Drayton]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

If they had not done so then you would have committed a genocide against them as well, like you did with every other minority who didn't want some Turkish state created over their territories in Asia Minor.

And when the Kurds started to demand their own free state on what is essentially their own land (Kurdistand) you started murdering them by the 1000s. And then Tim wonders why the Kurds in Turkey don't come out publicly to support a free Kurdistan.

So now answer the questions you tried to avoid from my earlier post I would really like to see a public speech of those Kurdish presidents in Kurdish language. Can you show me one?

Listen, you cretin, I lived for several years in a Kurdish neighbourhood in Turkey in a block of flats where all my neighbours were Kurdish, and I have also had many Kurdish colleagues at places where I have worked in Turkey. In fact, so much so that I learned to speak a little Kurmanji. You may not like what I am trying to tell you, but at least respect the impression that I have formed based on many years of close contact with Kurdish people in Turkey and stop patronising me.

[Tim Drayton]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

On a recent visit to a tea production plant in the largely Kurdish city of Diyarbakır, the Kurdish-speaking Minister of Agriculture Mehmet Mehdi Eker was widely reported to have picked up a handful of tea, smelled it and said in Kurdish:
"Çayêke delal ê" [This is lovely tea],
following which AKP MP for Diyarbakır, Abdurrahman Kurt, is reported to have added his own praise for the quality of the tea in Kurdish.
This is a move in the right direction, and would have been impossible to imagine on an official visit in Turkey 10 years ago.
Why am I wasting my time telling you this? You don't want to know. According to you, the world stopped about 30 years ago.

WOW. This is a lovely tea! I could not have imagined that in just 30 years there could be such a huge progress! And then I foolishly believe that most Kurds want a free Kurdistan. I must be wrong. They should just be patient, and in another 300 years there might be a minister that will say a whole paragraph in Kurdish ... maybe about coffee this time

OMG, did I sense a attempt at a sense of humour from Pitatis. Well, he is hum,an after all.

Work on it mate, a long way to go but you will get there eventually.

Good heavens. He has actually taken on board a new piece of information dating from recent years. There is hope.

[Tim Drayton]

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And then I foolishly believe that most Kurds want a free Kurdistan. I must be wrong.
[...]

Based on what evidence?

[boomerang]

Leyla Zana (born May 3, 1961), is a Kurdish female politician of Kurdish descent from Eastern Turkey, who was imprisoned for 10 years for speaking her native language of Kurdish in the Turkish Parliament after taking her parliamentary oath and for her political actions which were claimed to be against the unity of Turkey. She was a member of pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party for a short time. She is banned from joining any political party for five years with the Constitutional Court's decision to ban this party.

She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995 and in 1998 and was awarded the 1995 Sakharov Prize by the European Parliament, but was unable to collect it until her release in 2004.

In 1991 she became the first Kurdish woman to win a seat in the Turkish parliament. She created a scandal when she spoke Kurdish on the floor of the parliament after being sworn in, as speaking Kurdish in the public arena is a criminal offense in Turkey.[1] The Kurdish language, even when spoken in private, had been illegal for decades in Turkey.[1] Only in that year, 1991, was the Kurdish language finally legalized, though speaking Kurdish remained illegal in public spaces, as Zana was sworn in.[1] Her remarks ended,

I swear by my honor and my dignity before the great Turkish people to protect the integrity and independence of the State, the indivisible unity of people and homeland, and the unquestionable and unconditional sovereignty of the people. I swear loyalty to the Constitution. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.[2]

Only the final sentence of the oath was spoken in Kurdish: "I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people."[2]

Although Zana's parliamentary immunity protected her, after she joined the Democracy Party, that party was banned and her immunity was stripped. In December 1994, along with four other Democracy Party MPs (Hatip Dicle, Selim Sadak and Orhan Dogan), she was arrested and charged with treason and membership in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The treason charges were not put before the court, and Zana denied PKK affiliation; but with the prosecution relying on witness statements allegedly obtained under torture [1], Zana and the others were sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her sentencing, she asserted,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana

there are heaps of articles about leyla...just google it...

[boomerang]

was there a ref from the kurds to see if they want to cut the knot from turkey?...and if not why not?...

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
WOW. This is a lovely tea! I could not have imagined that in just 30 years there could be such a huge progress!
[...]

You are the one who has told us again and again and agiain and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again that the Kurdish language is banned in Turkey. Here a minister spoke in Kurdish on an official visit, which was widely reported, yet he is not being prosecuted. How so?

PS The Turkish state broadcaster, TRT, now has a station broadcasting full time in Kurdish. Still, that happened more recently than 30 years ago, so it didn't happen in your eyes.

Why don't you go back to your little store of material, copy something and paste it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again, so I can ignore it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and do something more purposeful than try to share some insights into the country which is about to cement its hold over one-third of this island.