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[Murataga]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

[denizaksulu]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

[Tim Drayton]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

On a recent visit to a tea production plant in the largely Kurdish city of Diyarbakır, the Kurdish-speaking Minister of Agriculture Mehmet Mehdi Eker was widely reported to have picked up a handful of tea, smelled it and said in Kurdish:
"Çayêke delal ê" [This is lovely tea],
following which AKP MP for Diyarbakır, Abdurrahman Kurt, is reported to have added his own praise for the quality of the tea in Kurdish.
This is a move in the right direction, and would have been impossible to imagine on an official visit in Turkey 10 years ago.
Why am I wasting my time telling you this? You don't want to know. According to you, the world stopped about 30 years ago.

[Kikapu]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

[Tim Drayton]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

Kikapu, the Kurds have only started to develop a sense of national consciousness over the past few decades; no such notion existed at the time of the war of liberation.

[Murataga]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

Much less than what they deserved as far as I am concerned. But that does not change the fact that they had the cultural, linguistic and religious ties with the Turks to fight against what they considered as the common enemy. That stands galaxies apart from TCs fighting with the EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece.

[Kikapu]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

Kikapu, the Kurds have only started to develop a sense of national consciousness over the past few decades; no such notion existed at the time of the war of liberation.

What does that mean, Tim, that the Kurds in general knew nothing or cared about their Human Rights being violated up until few years ago.??

[Piratis]

Next time have a look to see who is celebrating. It is Soldiers and their Families. TCs have not attended these celebrations for years.

Why don’t you shut your trap and open your mouth only when you’ve got your facts right…

GR, you need to get the strtergy right if you are planning on a war with Turkey. Going head on, will be difficult even for a larger better equipt army.

No, my friend we need to work cleverly, we need to operate from the inside out and get them from both side, both at home and abroad.

The defence fund derived from savings should go directly to fund the Kurds, to build up there forces and only then may we better placed to attempt anything.

With trouble going down on 2 fronts, she (Tr) will find it harder to concerntrate. Deal with trouble at home or away first. This way we may have the edge.

eitherway, listening to Bir, Mr frog, Murataga, Acikgoz, VP, they are clearly much more dangerous than Piratis will ever be and we will never have and agreed solution with these people. They are racists to the core, oh and watch your back, Banana is lurking in the sticks.

Find a way to fund the Kurds, so they can have the same rights the TCs are demanding and we will have half the war already won.

Who's going to open that fund account. perhaps the better placed ones amongst us could make some contributions

Cheers

Turkey has already had two Kurdish Presidents among its eleven so far: Ozal and Inonu (not to mention the numerous Kurdish ministers and prominent businessman etc.). How many TC presidents or prominent TC businessman have you had?

It took the U.S., self-claimed as the eldest democracy on the planet, 233 years to bring forward a president of minority descent.

Were those Kurdish presidents of Turkey elected only by a Kurdish electorate? Or did they gain the votes of the majority of citizens of Turkey as a whole?

And what language did those Kurdish presidents speak? Can you find me even a single public speech of those presidents and ministers made in Kurdish language?

Personally I have no problem to have in Cyprus what they have in Turkey. Do you agree?

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

If they had not done so then you would have committed a genocide against them as well, like you did with every other minority who didn't want some Turkish state created over their territories in Asia Minor.

And when the Kurds started to demand their own free state on what is essentially their own land (Kurdistand) you started murdering them by the 1000s. And then Tim wonders why the Kurds in Turkey don't come out publicly to support a free Kurdistan.

So now answer the questions you tried to avoid from my earlier post I would really like to see a public speech of those Kurdish presidents in Kurdish language. Can you show me one?

[boomerang]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

It's so ridiculous to read how the Turks here twist their way out of confrontation...

Pussies... A bunch of worn out pussies... That's what you are... Well fucked by Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians... Worn out pussies...

Why don't you just answer the damn questions being asked? Oh that's right - you're mama state hasn't yet distributed the official stance on the matter...

What about the 3 million "internally displaced refugees" of Turkey - all Kurds whose villages were burnt down - 6 fucken' thousand of them....

What about the girls raped by Turkish army men - to destroy Kurdish homes? And thus effectively destroying Kurdish society and culture...

What about the imprisonment of tens of thousands of men and women who "violated" article 301? You know - "offending Turkishness"... Whatever the hell that is...

What about all the operations done by the TSK and then blamed on the PKK? You know - like Susurluk, Semdinli and a whole load more... All done in the great spirit of putting the PKK in a bad light...

- No matter how much I hate the PKK, I hate the Turkish army a gazillion times more...

What about the state of emergency and prevention of any "tourists" to visite and travel in the area - was it all just to "keep the peace" or more honestly to hide the truth?

What about the gass bombings of Sirnex and Dersîm?

You're a load of worn out pussies...

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[Tim Drayton]

But that is the crux of the issue; you can not have what they have in Turkey: Kurds fought against invading countries (of which Greece was one) with the Turks to establish the Republic of Turkey. How many TCs fought with EOKA to annex Cyprus to Greece?

And the Kurds were awarded what exactly, for all their troubles in helping the establishment of the Republic of Turkey.??

Kikapu, the Kurds have only started to develop a sense of national consciousness over the past few decades; no such notion existed at the time of the war of liberation.

What does that mean, Tim, that the Kurds in general knew nothing or cared about their Human Rights being violated up until few years ago.??

If you define 'human rights' in terms of linguistic recognition, then no. Many Kurdish people living in Turkey look on Kurdish as being the private language that they speak among themsleves in their village and Turkish as being the national language that they use in their wider dealings with officialdom, and really cannot understand what all the fuss is about. Even the PKK officially adopted Turkish rather than Kurdish (would that be Kurmanji or Sorani, anyway?) as their official language of communications because this was the only language shared by all those within its ranks. Öcalan himself reputedly has a very shaky command of Kurmanji, and speaks Turkish as his first language.