Tim Drayton wrote:denizaksulu wrote:Piratis wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:Piratis wrote:Acikgoz wrote:Piratis wrote:And when the Kurds started to demand their own free state on what is essentially their own land (Kurdistand) you started murdering them by the 1000s. And then Tim wonders why the Kurds in Turkey don't come out publicly to support a free Kurdistan.
One second, we cannot use a TRNC flag as an avatar on a piddling forum like this - let's stay closer to home and reality for us, freedoms crushed? You trounce on our freedoms every day.
As more "enlightened modern people" of this generation that can understand pluralistic values and rights to identity, Turkey can be seen to be moving forward, not so the moderators or bloggers on this forum.
Next relevant point please.
You think you have the freedom to steal our lands, ethnically cleanse us, replace us with Anatolian Settlers and have some "Turkish State" on land which belongs by over 80% to us? Of course you don't have such freedom.
In fact Kurdistan and north Cyprus are similar in that both territories are forcefully ruled by Turks, while they should have been ruled democratically by their native people. The Turks deny this right to both us in north Cyprus and the Kurds in Kurdistan.
Piratis, my friend, please take pity on me and help me out with your deep, expert knowledge of Turkey, now that I realise that I am some stupid foreigner that knows nothing. My problem is to the precise location of this place you refer to as Kurdistan. According to the few scraps of information I was able to assemble in my weak British brain in all the years I lived in Turkey when I made freinds with countless Turkish and Kurdish people and from the bookshelf of Turkish books behind me which I have read, Anatolia is basically a mosaic of peoples. Although Kurds are concentrated in the south-east of the country (and I certainly noticed when I was in Digor Sub-province of Kars province that everybody there was speaking Kurdish - well, noticed I say, perhaps my thick, non-Hellenic mind was mistaken) there are Kurdish villages spread out across a lot of the country. For example, what I believe is referred to as the Central Anatolian Region which is located bang in the middle of the country and includes the capital Ankara (have I got that right?) and is an overwhelmingly Turkish-speaking area with a population of more than 10 million, there are neverthless dispersed across this region Kurdish villages with a total population of about 1 million. Perhaps I have got this wrong. If so, please, with your superior Hellenic intellect correct me if I have, and just to help confirm things, here is a list of these villages (based on my feeble attempt to conduct some reaserch of my own):
Cihanbeyli
Beşkardeş
Beyliova
Bulduk(Gunde Bulduq)
Çimen
Çölköy
Damlakuyu
Beşkavak(Büyük)
Beşkavak(Küçük)
Gölyazı(Xalikan)
Günyüzü(Cudkan)
Kandil
Kelhasan
Kırıkışla(Molıka)
Kutukkuşağı(Kutiga)
Kuşca(Hacilaro)
Sağlık
Yapalı(Qemera)
Yeniceoba(İncove)
Zaferiye(Kayışoğlu)
Kulu
Acıkuyu(Birtalik)
Altılar
Arsinci(Germik)
Beşkardeş(Torına)
Burnagil
Bozan
Celep
Çöpler(Copli)
Dipdede
Gökler
Hisar
Karacadağ(Xalikan)
Karacadere
Kirkpınar
Şerefli
Yazıcıçayır(Mehina)
Yeşilyurt(Celikan)
Tavşançalı(Omaro)
Zincirlikuyu(Gordoğlu)
Sarayönü
Boyalı
Kadıoğlu
Sarıkaya
Yunak
Beşışıklı
Çayırbaşı
Hatırlı(Gunde xofe)
Hacıfakılı(Kamaran)
Hacıomeroğlu(Hacımaran)
Imamoğlu(Bodan)
Karayayla
Kurtuşağı(Kurdan)
Koçyazı(Civikan)
Meselij
Odabaşı(Halisinan)
Ortakışla
Özyayla
Saray(Golan ga)
Sinanlı
Sülüklü(Galikan)
Çeltik
Kaşören(Rengan)
Adakasim(Sorikan)
Büyükhasan
Isakuşağı(Sagan)
Küçükhasan
Haymana
Balcıhisar
Bumsuz
Bostanyüklü
Cihanşah
Dikkulak
Hacımusa
Inler
Kerpiç
Kırpolu
Sazbağları
Sebilibağlar
Sindiran
Tepeköy
Yenice
Yenicik
Yurtbeyli
Bala
Aşağıhacıbekir
Aşağıören
Aydogan
Bektaşlı
Büyükbıyık
Büyükcamili
Çiğdemli
Derekışla
Eğribasan
Erginköy
Kesikköprü
Küçükbıyık
Küçükcamili
Tatarhöyük
Tepeköy
Sugüzel
Yukarıhacıbekir
Kayabaşı; Şêxbizînî
Yenimehmetli(Rûta Newalê); Rûtan
Sapanca(Koçika); Rûtan
Hacımusa(Hacî Musa); Canbeg
Karabenli(Rûtê Gazê); Rûtan
İnler(Mîkaîla); Mîkaîlî-Milî
Ilıca(İlce); Mîkaîlî
Hacımusul; Rûtan
Sinanlı(Sîna Şûşê); Canbeg
Kürttaciri-Özyurt(Têcîrê Kirmanca); Canbeg
Uzunbeyli(Uzunbeg); Canbeg
Yüzükbaşı; Canbeg
Yeşilöz(Memela/Kokar) ;Canbeg-Têrikan
Haciosmanoğlu(Hecosmana); Canbeg
Yukarı Tüfekçioğlu; Canbeg
Eski Karsak(Zirkan); Zirkan
Karapınar; Erzurumdan gelen Kürtlerin son yıllarda yerleşmiş olduğu köy
Ada Toprakpınar; Canbeg
Mıcıkoğlu(Micixa); Canbeg
Gülpınar(Milsêva); Têrikan-Canbeg
Şihahmetli(Qirpoli); Canbeg
Büyük Damlacik
Küçük Damlacik
Şanlıkışla
Büyükkışla
Odun Boğazı
Akarca
Yusuf Kuyusu
borucu(borji)
karakuyu
karamemet(memareş)
yanyurt(kurdalo)
ekecik
kalebalta
salmanlı
sarıağıl
gelesin
çekiçler
alayhan(alaxo)
b.pörnek
k.pörnek
tepesidelik
tol
taptuk
akin(axin)
bebek
kızılcıtol
seydo jor
e.seyhler(şıxa)
sarath
Çiçekdağı
Çiçekdağı(Çiçek)
Acıköy(Sorik)
Alahacıli(Galikan)
Bahçepınar(Torin)
Baraklı
Çanakpınar(Ramiko)
Dohankaş(Kungus)
Konurkale(Konir)
Mahmutlu(Qişle)
Pohrek(Gedar)
Şahinoğlu
Yalnızağaç(Zekera)
Boztepe
Çamalak
Çevirme
Çiğdeli
Çimenli
Harmanaltı(Sayiplı)
Hüseyinli
Kulhüyük
Öksüzkale(Haladin)
Üçkuyu
Uzunpınar
Akçakent
Avanoğlu
Navend
Gollu
Körpınar(Kaniya kurik)
Seyrekköy(Hurmik)
Taburoğlu
Taşınburnu (Mala bene)
Yeşiloba (Guri)
Kaman
Ağapınar
Çadırlıhacıbayram
Çadırlıkörmehmet
Hirfanlar
KekilliAli
MollaOsmanlar
Have I got that right? You see, to my puny Anglo-Saxon intellect, it would seem that there simply exists no such place in Turkey that one could identify as being Kurdistan. Kurdish villages are scattered across much of the country, even if they are concentrated in one area, and are interspersed with villages whose inhabitants have different ethnic identities. I have travelled a bit around Turkey and visited villages and that is the impression I have formed. I accept that I may have got that wrong. Of course, with your brilliant Greek intellect, you will know better than me without ever having been there. Please take pity on an intellectually challenged non-Greek and enlighten me.
PS - As you will realsie, because all peoples of the world worship Greece and the Greeks I am overjoyed as a European at having had to help pay for a bailout in which every family in Greece has received over 50,000 euro. Just one thing I cannot get my head around. If the Greeks are the most wonderful, wise, intelligent beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, why are they incapable of balancing a budget?
Very grateful as a poor Anglo-Saxon retard to receive any enlightenment you can give me. Thanks.
Hey stupid, does your list include the 3500 Kurdish villages that the Turkish army burned to the ground?
And finally your mask dropped with your racism against Greeks coming forward.Apart from exploiting us for decades you forced us to agree to allow you to keep under colonial rule 2 huge parts of Cyprus as bases and you think that we are the ones who own something to you?
The following image answers your question:
Someone in your position should know better not to insult and call peole names. That is our privilage dickhead. I wish I could tell you to piss off, but I cant.
I placed a smiley there so you dont ban me. I guess with a smiley that makes it ok.
Tim is one of the most knowledgable persons on this forum and you really have dropped your guard Piratis. Shame on you but we have discovered that you are a shameless being.
Don't worry. The man can't even understand why I chose to list the Kurdish villages in the Central Anatolian Region. Look at the map he has posted. Anybody with one iota of knowledge about Turkey will realise that he has actually proved the point I was trying to make.
Once more it is the collective guilt thing. I have so often condemned imperialism, and stated that I am ashamed as a Briton of the legacy that British colonialism has bequeathed to Cyprus, but no, because I was born British, even to an ordinary British family rather than the British ruling class which actually benefitted from colonialism, I am guilty from birth, regardless of what I say or do.
No, Birkibrisli has explained it all to me perfectly adequately. God is Greek and the megali idea is God's will. If you are born Greek you are good; if you are born non-Greek, you are bad. Undoubtedly he even thinks that the recent 110 billion euro rescue package that has been thrown into the bottomless cess-pit that is his 'cherished motherland' was willed by God, so that even though more than 10,000 euro has been stolen from every non-Greek EU citizen's pocket, they should expect no gratitude at all. It is all part of a greater divine plan.
It does not matter what Kurds themselves claim to think or want, what matters is that God has a divine plan for them to destroy Turkey and so Hellenise Cyprus and help take Hellenism forward to attaining its predestined glory. No doubt if every single Kurd perishes in the process, it is unimportant.
There is no way of engaging in rational debate with such irrational thinking.
If somebody who is a moderator on this form tells me that I am a stupid foreigner who has no idea about Turkey, fine. I will never post any opinions here about Turkey again. No skin off my nose.
Who do you think you are? "The Voice of the Kurds and reason"?
If I want info about the Kurds I take it from the Kurds themselves, here for example: http://www.kurdistan.org/ not from a stupid supporter of Turkey like yourself.
You started mocking the Greeks and then when I told you about your own country you got offended. When you are trying to offend others be ready to take the same in return.
