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[georgios100]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

[humanist]

georgios .... is this a revelation? lol everybody is in agreeance to this even the most staunch and honest TC's lol

[Piratis]

There is absolutely no question that partition was premeditated since 1957 by the Turks and the British.



There were a lot of discussions in the British parliament about partition in the 50s:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/sear ... cade=1950s

I am sure in the Turkish parliament there were even more (along with detailed plans) although of course those are not published.

Soon after the TCs formed TMT and they started the inter-communal conflict with massacring people and burning the homes and shops of innocent GCs.



http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxoANVJ

All these were done so the British and the Turks would keep troops and control over our island. The TC minority were used as their pawns and as their excuse, and were enticed to attack us by offering to them privileges and powers on our expense, and promising to give to them land stolen from us (partition)

[georgios100]

There is absolutely no question that partition was premeditated since 1957 by the Turks and the British.



There were a lot of discussions in the British parliament about partition in the 50s:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/sear ... cade=1950s

I am sure in the Turkish parliament there were even more (along with detailed plans) although of course those are not published.

Soon after the TCs formed TMT and they started the inter-communal conflict with massacring people and burning the homes and shops of innocent GCs.



http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxoANVJ

All these were done so the British and the Turks would keep troops and control over our island. The TC minority were used as their pawns and as their excuse, and were enticed to attack us by offering to them privileges and powers on our expense, and promising to give to them land stolen from us (partition)

Many thanks to Piratis for the undisputed evidence he posted, well done.
It is beyond any doubt, the Brits were doing what they do best. Inject venom into the local population of every colony subject to "release" due to the fast disintegration of the British Empire. It's the same British cockroaches that induced the civil war in India (1948) which resulted in more that a million killed in clashes between the Indians and Pakistanis. The Brits seem to get a kick out of this... bloody bastards!

I would like to see more evidence, please post what ever you have on hand. Perhaps, the TC members of CF could finally learn WHO was really responsible for the mess we are in today.

[SKI-preo]

And the no shit sherlock award goes to....

[bsharpish]

Many thanks to Piratis for the undisputed evidence he posted, well done.
It is beyond any doubt, the Brits were doing what they do best. Inject venom into the local population of every colony subject to "release" due to the fast disintegration of the British Empire. It's the same British cockroaches that induced the civil war in India (1948) which resulted in more that a million killed in clashes between the Indians and Pakistanis. The Brits seem to get a kick out of this... bloody bastards!

I would like to see more evidence, please post what ever you have on hand. Perhaps, the TC members of CF could finally learn WHO was really responsible for the mess we are in today.

This "cockroach" would suggest that your understanding of the the Issues surrounding Pakistan and India shows a distinct lack of education.
Similarly the "terrible carnage" as the empire tranformed into the commonwealth in Australia,Canada et al was testament to "the bloody bastards" desire to get a kick out of watching the locals cut each other throats .

Nothing whatsoever to do with the 100's of years of religious\political conflict, occupation and control by a muslim minority ( Both Cyprus and India- Ottomans and Mughals respectively).
Odd that rabid sectarianism is always someone elses fault.

You lose ANY SLIGHT SEMBLANCE OF CREDIBILITY with shite like this

[denizaksulu]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Only idiots will disagree that a negotiated partition was desirable in opposition to to Greek demand for Enosis. However I maintain that this 'partition by invasion' and 'war' was not pre-meditated. The 'partition by war' scenario was achieved by the events of the coup of 1974. If there was no pretext, there would not have been an invasion(whateever you would like to call it - it WAS an invasion).

[observer]

in the period 1950/60 (and subsequently come to think of it) there were so many different "solutions" offered up to the Cyprob that it would be possible to offer "evidence of pre-meditation" for almost any realistic set of circumstances. The situation that exists today on Cyprus is just the one that happened to come about.

I expect "evidence of pre-meditation" exists for every set of circumstances from Cyprus being part of Greece, through Cypriots living prosporously and amicably together, to being a part of Turkey, or even a part of the Soviet Union.

Evidence of wishful thinking more like, or in some cases frustration.

[B25]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Only idiots will disagree that a negotiated partition was desirable in opposition to to Greek demand for Enosis. However I maintain that this 'partition by invasion' and 'war' was not pre-meditated. The 'partition by war' scenario was achieved by the events of the coup of 1974. If there was no pretext, there would not have been an invasion(whateever you would like to call it - it WAS an invasion).

Deniz, this is the biggest pile of crap you have ever posted. Total lies and deceit.

of course it was premeditated and the historical facts are there, documents released under the UK FOI act shows this quite clearly, and the whole situation was architected by the US/UK governments to make this situation possible, FFS.

My god, how ignorant can you people be.

yes we were all manipulated by the external forces, but please, don't come up with such BS and expect and credibility.

its no wonder you guys live in a vacuum, you have done no evil, seen no evil, heard no eveil, 3 wise bloody monkeys.

Pft!

[Gasman]

Only idiots will disagree that a negotiated partition was desirable in opposition to to Greek demand for Enosis.

I agree with that. I think the failed coup just provided the excuse or reason Turkey needed for intervention.

But I also agree that before then there were so many various 'solutions' being discussed for Cyprus that, whatever had happened could now be said to have been 'premeditated'.