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[denizaksulu]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

[YFred]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Edward Heath of the FO to be precose in the 40s and 50s.

[georgios100]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Is this the best you can do Deniz... you disappoint me... you just failed to provide an explanation.

Who is next?

[georgios100]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Edward Heath of the FO to be precose in the 40s and 50s.

The usual mambo jumbo YFredoglu!!!

[denizaksulu]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Is this the best you can do Deniz... you disappoint me... you just failed to provide an explanation.

Who is next?

Show me a map drawn up by Dr. Kucuk, not one drawn up with a pencil and a ruler.

[Pyrpolizer]

Only idiots will disagree that a negotiated partition was desirable in opposition to to Greek demand for Enosis.

I agree with that. I think the failed coup just provided the excuse or reason Turkey needed for intervention.

But I also agree that before then there were so many various 'solutions' being discussed for Cyprus that, whatever had happened could now be said to have been 'premeditated'.

Could you give us an example with it's supporting evidence?

[georgios100]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Is this the best you can do Deniz... you disappoint me... you just failed to provide an explanation.

Who is next?

Show me a map drawn up by Dr. Kucuk, not one drawn up with a pencil and a ruler.

Read the text on the posted document:

Partition of Cyprus as suggested in 1957 by Turkish Cypriot leader, Dr Fazil Kuchuk, in his pamphlet "The Cyprus Question: A Permanent Solution", along the line shown on the map.


Dr. Fazil Küçük in 1954 had already proposed Cyprus be divided in two at the 35° parallel.[5]
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca

Are you still in disbelief?

[YFred]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Is this the best you can do Deniz... you disappoint me... you just failed to provide an explanation.

Who is next?

Show me a map drawn up by Dr. Kucuk, not one drawn up with a pencil and a ruler.

Read the text on the posted document:

Partition of Cyprus as suggested in 1957 by Turkish Cypriot leader, Dr Fazil Kuchuk, in his pamphlet "The Cyprus Question: A Permanent Solution", along the line shown on the map.


Dr. Fazil Küçük in 1954 had already proposed Cyprus be divided in two at the 35° parallel.[5]
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca

Are you still in disbelief?

Since when have we accepted wiki as real evidence?

[Pyrpolizer]

FROM CYPRUS CONFLICT WEB SITE:

Meanwhile, Turkish Cypriot nationalism arose in the 1940s,
resisting the claim for Enosis. Dr. Fazil Kuchuk (Fazýl Küçük) led the "Cyprus is
Turkey" party, which variably argued that Cyprus should continue to be a colony or be
returned to Turkey or be partitioned (taksim).1

1 Küçük, 10. Kuchuk argued that the Greek Cypriots had been ungrateful to the Turks, who protected the
rights of the Orthodox church during the Ottoman era. The Turks had no trust in the Greeks and could not
trust to live under their administration. (Where are you Viewpoint? From as early as the 50s huh !!!)


From here:
http://www.yenikibris.org/kitap/ulus/dillirga.htm

" From what I heard, Turkey in order to manifest the partition of the of the island planned to gather all Cyprus Turks within a region. By placing militia at various points and enforcing these with new conscripts a permanent base of deployment was planned.Paphos was one the the regions planned for such a scope. Smaller villages were to be joined to these stations strengthening their defences against probable Greek attacks. By this way any Greek plans to attack and destroy unprotected villages to spread their cmplete sovereignty over the whole island would be impeded. By time these three regions would spread and integrate paving the way to the partition of the island without going into a major fighting. Details that reached us all indicated to the presence of such a plot.

From here:


In 1964, the then Turkish Foreign
Minister, Feridun Erkin, openly declared
that Cyprus was of «vital importance
to Turkey not merely because of the
existence of the Turkish community in
the island, but also on account of its
geostrategic bearing». In a public statement in 1964, Kemal Satir, Vice-President
of Turkey, said: «Cyprus will be divided into two sections, one of which
will join Turkey».

The Secretary-General of the United Nations in 1965 described the policy
of the Turkish Cypriot leaders in this way:
«The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against anymeasures
which might involve having members of the two communities live and
work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they
would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed,
since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical
separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage
activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the
merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy
of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots».

[georgios100]

There are recent discussions on CF, arguing if today's line that divides the occupied Cyprus from the free Cyprus were premeditated.

The answer is yes.

The evidence is provided by the late Dr Fazil Küçük (1906-1984) who proposed the attached map in the year 1957 (RE: Partition of Cyprus), found in a booklet, currently available from the Cyprus Consulate office in Toronto, Canada.

The population stats for year 1960 indicate the Turkish Cypriots at 18%, Greek Cypriots at 77% and other nationals at 5%. Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Not sure which elementary school Dr Fazil Küçük attended (born in Nicosia) but simple math tells me, the 18% TC population does not add up to the 50% claim of Cyprus land, as the attached document indicates.

Therefor, since this TC proposal was impossible to meet via peaceful negotiation, war was needed to achieve it. Hence the 1974 war and it's result as depicted at the bottom of the attached document.

Clearly, Dr Fazil Küçük's premeditated wishes came true as planned. Not exactly what he had in mind but pretty close, don't you think?

Are you all insane?

Take another look at the document I posted. And I ask again:

On what grounds Dr Fazil Küçük proposed to divide Cyprus 50%/50% when the Turkish Cypriots were only 18%?

Can any TC on this board explain this "crazy" demand? Anyone? Speak up! Don't give me any more BS but a reasonable explanation to debate on. Pay attention to the map again. Famagusta, Nicosia, Keryneia, Morphu and Polis are included!!!

Furthermore, is this partition proposal considered a "realistic basis" for negotiation? Who, in his right mind would agree to entertain such an outrageous proposal?

Dr Fazil Küçük knew that his proposal would not fly but convinced Turkey to implement his proposed partition with any means nesessary.

Dr Fazil Küçük proposal was a "silent" declaration of war.

The 1974 coup was the mere excuse to achieve the ultimate target. The whole thing was indeed PREMEDITATED, no doubt.

Wakey wakey...........

That map was drawn probably by some colonial power. Did you notice the straight line drawn accross the island? What does it remind you of?
Look at the maps of the middle eastern countries, Libya, Egypt. Typical of the boys from Eton I'd say. Definitely not Dr. Kucuk. He would have had more sense than that. The better maps show a line accross the dividing line through Nicosia.

Is this the best you can do Deniz... you disappoint me... you just failed to provide an explanation.

Who is next?

Show me a map drawn up by Dr. Kucuk, not one drawn up with a pencil and a ruler.

Read the text on the posted document:

Partition of Cyprus as suggested in 1957 by Turkish Cypriot leader, Dr Fazil Kuchuk, in his pamphlet "The Cyprus Question: A Permanent Solution", along the line shown on the map.


Dr. Fazil Küçük in 1954 had already proposed Cyprus be divided in two at the 35° parallel.[5]
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca

Are you still in disbelief?

Since when have we accepted wiki as real evidence?

I can post tons of evidence about Dr Kuchuk's proposal.

... Unless you think it's all lies... can you prove it? Put up the links or shut up.

Who's up next?