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Postby Paphitis » Tue May 11, 2010 11:37 am

Tim Drayton wrote:I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.


Sorry, but no sane Aboriginal is calling for the descendants of the invaders to leave. The Aborigines now own massive parcels of land, receive Billions each year from mining royalties. Their wealth per capita is about 50 times larger than the total GDP per capita of Cyprus, as they are arguably the wealthiest citizens on planet earth.

http://www.clc.org.au/Ourland/land_righ ... s_act.html

http://www.kdc.wa.gov.au/visit/vk_aborland.asp

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bd/1 ... 6bd112.htm
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Postby Paphitis » Tue May 11, 2010 11:42 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.


No its not. The English settled in the aboriginies lands during the time when slavery was around, women were not allowed to vote and people mostly moved by horse and cart.

In 1974 when the Cypriots were kicked out of their homes by an ARMY, there existed the UN, transcontinental flights were common and the Pontiac GTO was doing 120mph.


The total indigenous population of Australia, during the time of white settlement was estimated to be around 150,000 - 250,000 people. So Australia was largely an unoccupied massive land mass. So it was inevitable that some world power was going to lay claim over Australia.

The Dutch, French and Portuguese were the first to discover Australia, and would have settled here if they did not land on the West Australian coast which is mostly a barren dry desert wasteland.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 11, 2010 11:58 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.



No its not. The English settled in the aboriginies lands during the time when slavery was around, women were not allowed to vote and people mostly moved by horse and cart.

In 1974 when the Cypriots were kicked out of their homes by an ARMY, there existed the UN, transcontinental flights were common and the Pontiac GTO was doing 120mph.


We are doing 1571 here, actually, and the collective guilt that the Turkish Cypriot community still supposedly bears today for that event.

As far as 1974 goes, yes, there is no comparison.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 11, 2010 12:05 pm

It is not what all indigenous Australians think. Do you not see the strong parallels between the arguments that Cyprus is a Greek island and everybody else is an outsider, and the following?:

Aboriginal Australians have lived in Australia over 40,000 years. It has been a long argued view of European anthropologists and prehistorians that modern humanity migrated South to Australia. This fails to explain, however, why older forms of modern human beings have not been found outside the continent. The legends and religious beliefs of modern Aboriginal Australia have no stories of migration. There is no evidence of migration memories anywhere in our country. This is a religious position taken by Aboriginal Australians, and science has failed to refute it."

Before 1788, Aboriginal Australians enjoyed a nomadic lifestyle where men, women and children lived in harmony with each other and the environment. Mother Earth was regarded as sacred which everyone respected and did not exploit. The healthy lifestyle changed dramatically when the invaders arrived from England headed by Captain Cook. The land was claimed by them through a law that still exists today called "terra nullius", meaning "no man's land". The British government wanted to establish the penal colony because of the overcrowding in their own country. It was estimated that about one million Australian Aborigines inhabited the country with 500 different tribes in 1788. Today, in 1992, 200 years later, there are 300,000 left. Many were killed with guns, poisoned water holes and food, and many died from diseases introduced by the invaders. A document from the late 1700's states: "Some convicts were allowed to have the weekends free from the confines of their masters' properties on the condition that they brought back with them aboriginal scalps. These scalps were, in fact, pairs of ears."

The remainder of the Aborigines were placed on reserves and missions where white management had total control over their Aboriginal lifestyle. The hunted and gathered foods were replaced with high carbohydrate rations. Language and ceremonies were forbidden, as it was seen as paganistic to the invaders' superior, Christian values. The colonists brought with them their social order and notion of property, their birth rights and Christianity. With their invisible luggage they brought their racial prejudice. Aboriginal men were drastically losing their role in society by being used to slave labour. The women were used as domestics and sexual partners for the white invaders. Raping and killings continued as a sport. And I quote: "One gorges at the Sunday afternoon manhunts of sexual mutilation, of burying live Aboriginal babies up to their necks in sand and kicking their heads off after tying with a rape the severed neck of the husband around the raped spouse."


40,000 years? You Hellenic fundamentalists are only talking about 10,000!

You can read more at http://www.ipoaa.com/unrelenting_strugg ... ndigen.htm
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Postby DT. » Tue May 11, 2010 1:32 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
DT. wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.



No its not. The English settled in the aboriginies lands during the time when slavery was around, women were not allowed to vote and people mostly moved by horse and cart.

In 1974 when the Cypriots were kicked out of their homes by an ARMY, there existed the UN, transcontinental flights were common and the Pontiac GTO was doing 120mph.


We are doing 1571 here, actually, and the collective guilt that the Turkish Cypriot community still supposedly bears today for that event.

As far as 1974 goes, yes, there is no comparison.


Your argument about
that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here
refers to 1974.

We are talking about troops and settlers to leave not TC's.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 11, 2010 1:37 pm

DT. wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
DT. wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.



No its not. The English settled in the aboriginies lands during the time when slavery was around, women were not allowed to vote and people mostly moved by horse and cart.

In 1974 when the Cypriots were kicked out of their homes by an ARMY, there existed the UN, transcontinental flights were common and the Pontiac GTO was doing 120mph.


We are doing 1571 here, actually, and the collective guilt that the Turkish Cypriot community still supposedly bears today for that event.

As far as 1974 goes, yes, there is no comparison.


Your argument about
that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here
refers to 1974.

We are talking about troops and settlers to leave not TC's.


I am getting more and more puzzled. Where does the phrase 'Ottoman remnants' fit in with 1974?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue May 11, 2010 1:38 pm

:shock: Further evidence why Piratis is such a dangerous criminal!

We found this in his bedroom drawer… :?


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Postby DT. » Tue May 11, 2010 1:53 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
DT. wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
DT. wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.



No its not. The English settled in the aboriginies lands during the time when slavery was around, women were not allowed to vote and people mostly moved by horse and cart.

In 1974 when the Cypriots were kicked out of their homes by an ARMY, there existed the UN, transcontinental flights were common and the Pontiac GTO was doing 120mph.


We are doing 1571 here, actually, and the collective guilt that the Turkish Cypriot community still supposedly bears today for that event.

As far as 1974 goes, yes, there is no comparison.


Your argument about
that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here
refers to 1974.

We are talking about troops and settlers to leave not TC's.


I am getting more and more puzzled. Where does the phrase 'Ottoman remnants' fit in with 1974?


Who's talking about Ottoman remnants?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue May 11, 2010 1:56 pm

DT. wrote:Who's talking about Ottoman remnants?

That’s right! They’ve had a name change recently… “Hodja’s of Cyprus” I think! :lol:
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Postby DT. » Tue May 11, 2010 1:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:Who's talking about Ottoman remnants?

That’s right! They’ve had a name change recently… “Hodja’s of Cyprus” I think! :lol:


thought that was just Halil.. :?
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