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[Tim Drayton]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

[YFred]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

With Oracle anything is possible if it is in the interest of enosis. Water could flow up the mountain. The mountain would come to jesus and all that.

Tim, you made some excellent points, and are respected by all decent forumers for it. You have always given us your unbiassed view and long may it continue.

Ise galo braman athrobon.

[Paphitis]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

Piratis was basically saying that the "Ottoman remnants" should have respected the ideologies and democratic rights of the numerically superior GC community, instead of collaborate with a country that is occupying our land and which is now driving the TCs to extinction in Cyprus!

This is a very basic principle, When other ethnicities migrate to Australia, then they should learn to adopt the Australian way of life and culture. Ergo, the Burqa, Hijab, and Nijab discussion on having these garments banned just like they have done in France and elsewhere!

[Tim Drayton]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

Piratis was basically saying that the "Ottoman remnants" should have respected the ideologies and democratic rights of the numerically superior GC community, instead of collaborate with a country that is occupying our land and which is now driving the TCs to extinction in Cyprus!

This is a very basic principle, When other ethnicities migrate to Australia, then they should learn to adopt the Australian way of life and culture. Ergo, the Burqa, Hijab, and Nijab discussion on having these garments banned just like they have done in France and elsewhere!

I am very much beginning to doubt whether you have ever been to Cyprus at all, but if you came and took the trouble to observe the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities, you would realise that that, culturally speaking, they are very similar, so the kind of issues you raise do not apply.

It is interesting that you speak of Australia. Would it seem a rational statement to you if an indigenous Australian said to you, "You knew you were coming to our island when you came here." Nobody wills their own birth so nobody can be held guilty for the fact of being born, or the circumstances surrounding their birth.

You either accept the legitimacy of the Republic of Cyprus as founded under the 1959/1960 agreements, or you don't. It is a simple choice. If you do, then you have to accept that provision is made for citizenship of that Republic in annex D of the Treaty of Establishment. There is no reference here to 'Ottoman remnants'; the Turkish Cypriots are equal and legitimate citizens of the Republic under the agreements. The use of the term 'Ottoman remnants' is tantamount to a rejection of the Republic as defined in the agreements. You are perfectly entitled to make that choice but please don't pretend to do one when you are actually doing the other.

[Tim Drayton]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

With Oracle anything is possible if it is in the interest of enosis. Water could flow up the mountain. The mountain would come to jesus and all that.

Tim, you made some excellent points, and are respected by all decent forumers for it. You have always given us your unbiassed view and long may it continue.

Ise galo braman athrobon.

Braman?

[Paphitis]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

Piratis was basically saying that the "Ottoman remnants" should have respected the ideologies and democratic rights of the numerically superior GC community, instead of collaborate with a country that is occupying our land and which is now driving the TCs to extinction in Cyprus!

This is a very basic principle, When other ethnicities migrate to Australia, then they should learn to adopt the Australian way of life and culture. Ergo, the Burqa, Hijab, and Nijab discussion on having these garments banned just like they have done in France and elsewhere!

I am very much beginning to doubt whether you have ever been to Cyprus at all, but if you came and took the trouble to observe the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities, you would realise that that, culturally speaking, they are very similar, so the kind of issues you raise do not apply.

Whether I have been to Cyprus or not is irrelevant.

Yes, the GCs and TCs are similar. This may shock you, but I know many TCs and have a few close friendships with TCs in Cyprus. This is also irrelevant!

It is interesting that you speak of Australia. Would it seem a rational statement to you if an indigenous Australian said to you, "You knew you were coming to our island when you came here." Nobody wills their own birth so nobody can be held guilty for the fact of being born, or the circumstances surrounding their birth.

I never said that anyone should feel guilty about their birth and neither did Piratis. You are exaggerating and taking things out of context.

The point is, that Australia is a democratic nation, and anyone who wishes to adopt it as their new country should also respect the Australian culture. If Australia wanted Union with New Zealand, then Maoris that live in Australia should respect the desires of the majority. The Aborigines have never even attempted to destroy democracy in Australia so your analogy seems invalid to me, because many TCs are guilty of exactly that.

You either accept the legitimacy of the Republic of Cyprus as founded under the 1959/1960 agreements, or you don't. It is a simple choice. If you do, then you have to accept that provision is made for citizenship of that Republic in annex D of the Treaty of Establishment. There is no reference here to 'Ottoman remnants'; the Turkish Cypriots are equal and legitimate citizens of the Republic under the agreements. The use of the term 'Ottoman remnants' is tantamount to a rejection of the Republic as defined in the agreements. You are perfectly entitled to make that choice but please don't pretend to do one when you are actually doing the other.

And as I told you before, I personally don't have an issue with accepting the 1959 Zurich Agreement, and therefore I fully recognize the right of TCs to RoC citizenship, health care, and social welfare.

I accept that TCs are equal citizens and would even fight for their very basic democratic and human rights as EQUAL citizens of the RoC. But the TCs want their special status which is anything but EQUAL to their compatriots which account for 82% of the total population of the island.

Therefore, they are unwilling to fight for our EQUAL rights and their actions are anything but democratic. You may call this "the spoils of war" and there is only one way this can be reversed. Will they fight for my rights?

[DT.]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Please, please help me out with your far superior intellect, and have patience with me as I do not have a superabundance of intelligence, and explain the logic of saying "you knew that you were coming to a Greek island when you first came here" to a person who was born in Cyprus.

With Oracle anything is possible if it is in the interest of enosis. Water could flow up the mountain. The mountain would come to jesus and all that.

Tim, you made some excellent points, and are respected by all decent forumers for it. You have always given us your unbiassed view and long may it continue.

Ise galo braman athrobon.

Let us know when the morons of the forum you represent also take a liking to him.

[Tim Drayton]

I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.

[denizaksulu]

It is a folly to 'find us guilty of our fathers sins.

Piratis did nothing of the sort.

None of you appear to be listening. You have worked yourselves up into a lather and should take time out to rethink this ridiculous bullying behaviour of yours.

You give Tim too much respect for supposedly possessing impartiality and intelligence, in abundance. On the contrary, he has demonstrated a deficiency in both on many occasions and this is another!

However, back to the original principle point; there is no doubt that the guilty are those who STILL behave like Ottoman rulers and want what is NOT theirs to take!

Do you have any 78's? Full marks for your support of your number 5.

[DT.]

I am bored with going round in circles . The fact is that, now the UBP is firmly back in power, Turkey will cement its hold over the northern part of Cyprus over the next two decades and the game is over.

There exist inidgenous Australians who argue that Australia is their country, that they were invaded and robbed of their land and that the descendants of these invaders should all leave. This argument does not differ in substance from the kind of thing we are hearing here. Why should Aborigines be expected to conform to an alien, imported culture that was imposed on them by invaders? Surely those who came later should have known that they were coming to an Aboriginal island and conform to that Aboriginal culture or else leave? It is precisely the same argument that you apply to Cyprus applied to Australia.

No its not. The English settled in the aboriginies lands during the time when slavery was around, women were not allowed to vote and people mostly moved by horse and cart.

In 1974 when the Cypriots were kicked out of their homes by an ARMY, there existed the UN, transcontinental flights were common and the Pontiac GTO was doing 120mph.