Piratis wrote:YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:Pyrpolizer wrote:Piratis wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Piratis wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Piratis wrote:If we are historically enemies that is because you invaded our lands. Do you now expect us to abandon the identity we had for 1000s of years and let you de-Hellenize our island, as it was your initial objective when we first became enemies?
Apparently you want to maintain the historical enmity you initiated against us. Isn't it time for you to leave such "historical enmities" behind and start showing some respect to the people who suffered for centuries due to the Turkish aggression and expansionism?
My knowledge of modern history tells me it was the Greek Army that invaded Anatolia at the end of WWI...That was the latest and the most relevant reason for the animosity in the TC collective consciousness...
We will leave such historical enmities behind when you stop talking about Cyprus being Greek and about "Turkish aggression" and so-called expantionism...In other words when you come down to earth from your Greek mountain top,which might be never...
Oh, so there was no Greek-Turkish enmity before WWI?Just like there was no inter-communal conflict before 63?
Cyprus was Greek before you came here and it will remain Greek. The Turkish aggression, expansionism and your effort to de-Hellenize our lands is what created this enmity, and this enmity will end when you stop trying to force us to abandon our identity and take control of our lands.
You are doing your best to deflect my arguments,Piratis. But you are fooling no one. I didn't say there were no enmity before WWI. I said that episode was the most recent and relevant influence in TC collective consciousness...Unlike fanatical Greek nationalists like you,we do not carry centuries old conflicts in our hearts and minds...Cyprus was never Greek...It never actually came under Greek administration...Cyprus is a Mediterranean island inhabited by people of many different backgrounds,the majority of whom consider themselves ethnically Greek...Just like Australia who is a continent inhabited by many different ethnic people,the majority of whom are from an Anglo-celtic background...This does not make Australia British,even though she was part of the British empire till about 1900...No one is trying to de-Hellenise the GCs...You are free to feel as Greek as you like,as long as you don't try to impose your Greekness on the rest of the Cypriots,and try to make them second class citizens in their own country,which was/is what ENOSIS with Greece all about...You can keep your GC identity and let us keep our TC identity by returning us our rights you took at gunpoint in 1963...And promise that never again you will try to subvert our sovereignty by treacherous dreams of ENOSIS...Then we will kiss and make up,and go forth towards becoming a nation of Cypriots...
The most recent is the Turkish occupation of Cyprus by Turkish troops and the Turkish demands in Aegean which happen now.
The most recent events before you started the inter-communal conflict were the attacks of the Turks against the Greeks in Constantinople on September 6, 1955.
Cyprus is as Greek as any other Greek island or territory. I am still waiting from you to tell me what is the difference between Cyprus and say Crete or Rhodes, apart from the fact that you refused to Cyprus the legitimate right to unite with the rest of the Greek territories after being liberated from foreign rulers.
Australia is not British because that is what the majority of Australians choose. The majority of Cypriots never choose to be separate from the rest of Greeks. On the contrary this was imposed on Cyprus by force by the foreign imperialists.
I don't try to impose our "Greekness" to anybody neither I ever said you should be second class citizen. Ethnic minorities exist everywhere and you are free to maintain the identity of your minority, I have no problem with this whatsoever.
We will kiss and make up when you stop trying to de-Hellenize our island and impose on us your own will by force. This is our island and if we democratically choose to we can unite it with the rest of Greece, with the rest of Europe or even with China. You can be equal citizen and you can have your minority rights, but you can not impose your minority opinion by force. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans.
We can also democratically chose NOT TO, and I BET this is the case today. So this leaves us to the point we want an independent CYPRUS part of the EU as it is today, free from foreign troops in which the rights of GCs and TCs are respected in some sort of Federal system.
Of course we can choose not to. The point is that we should be given the choice to freely (not under blackmail) decide what we want for our own island. I would personally respect any decision that the Cypriot people democratically and freely make (Bir would not - he wants to impose by force his own will regardless of what the majority of the population of Cyprus wants).
So long as you include in that bit of thought that if the GCs democratically voted to join with Greece than the TCs also have the right to decide whether to join them, join Turkey or go for independence and we have a deal my dearest souther cousins.
You can join with whomever you want. But our lands stay with us and no inch of it will be gifted to you.
Perhaps rephrasing that to '...........gifted to Turkey' would be better.
