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Postby DT. » Wed May 12, 2010 9:25 pm

Acikgoz wrote:DT, standard basic answers to standard basic questions.
Idiot - just look at the comments I was responding to - same crap goes around and around. If you want to stop the roundabout come up with more considered arguments.

Yes DT, as Freddie once said "Can I ask you something? Who gives a @*#! what you think?"


pretentious little prick that knows absolutely nothing about the cyprob and camouflages this in by blaming the quality of posts he responds to :lol:

Go get this population exchange agreement and I'll teach you a few things starting from tonight you idiot. :roll:
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed May 12, 2010 9:51 pm

August 1975 - includes Makarios's John Hancock.

The real message you should have picked up was that these idiotic arguments are pointless/useless.
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Postby DT. » Wed May 12, 2010 10:03 pm

Acikgoz wrote:August 1975 - includes Makarios's John Hancock.

The real message you should have picked up was that these idiotic arguments are pointless/useless.

dig it out big boy and show me how makarios told my family to leave morphou and not the mehmetchik
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Postby DT. » Wed May 12, 2010 10:08 pm

The Vienna III Agreement stipulated that the Turkish Cypriots still remaining in the south in 1975 (about 10,700) were free to move to the north and the Greek Cypriots still remaining in the north (about 10,000) were free to stay there and were to be provided with facilities to lead a normal life.

Another interesting point is that the agreement was signed in 1975......we got thrown out of our homes in 74 :roll:

now bugger off and go learn something
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed May 12, 2010 10:08 pm

Look it up yourself.
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Postby DT. » Wed May 12, 2010 10:11 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Look it up yourself.


i did, read above if you can read

next!
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Postby halil » Wed May 12, 2010 10:24 pm

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,, ... 723,0.html




History



Turkish and Greek Cypriots have lived together on Cyprus for more than four centuries. Although the majority population of the island has long been Greek-speaking, it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire until 1878, when Britain received Cyprus in return for providing protection against tsarist Russia. After World War II, the Orthodox Church and EOKA (the National Organization of Cyprus Fighters) spearheaded movements against the British and favouring enosis (union with Greece), and the guerrilla wing of the latter carried out attacks on British soldiers and establishments.

The Turkish community feared that union with Greece would result in its expulsion, and thus preferred partition of the island. In 1959 representatives of the Greek and Turkish communities and of the British government approved a plan whereby Cyprus was to become an independent republic with constitutional guarantees for the Turkish minority and British sovereignty over the island's military bases. Independence was proclaimed on 16 August 1960, and Archbishop Vaneziz Makarios, a veteran of the anti-colonial movement, took office as President.

Deteriorating relations between the Greek and Turkish communities of Cyprus reflected tensions between Greece and Turkey. Violence between the two communities, and displacement of around 30,000 Turkish Cypriots prompted the United Nations to deploy a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) in 1964. That force remains today, and is the longest-running peacekeeping mission in the UN's history.

EOKA-B, founded in 1971, continued the terrorist activities of EOKA and demands for enosis. The conflict came to a head on 15 July 1974, when the Cypriot National Guard, under the command of Greek army officers, ousted Makarios and installed pro-enosis Nikos Sampson. Five days later, a force of 6,000 Turkish troops with tanks landed on the north coast of Cyprus, ostensibly to restore civilian rule in line with a 1960 agreement allowing Turkish, Greek or British military intervention in the event of a threat to the island's democratic order. Heavy fighting occurred between the Turkish army and the Cypriot National Guard, and intercommunal conflict was reported from many parts of the island. Each community accused the other of atrocities.

On 23 July 1974 the Greek government junta of colonels in Athens who had been behind the ousting of Makarios stepped down; on the same day the National Guard relieved Sampson of his post. A ceasefire agreement was concluded on 16 August, by which time Turkish forces had occupied 37 per cent of the island in the north. Prisoners of war were exchanged, but each side maintained that many people were unaccounted for: 2,700 Greek Cypriots and 240 Turkish Cypriots. Turkey's forces remained.

From 1974 the government of the Republic of Cyprus no longer controlled the occupied north. A 'temporary' population exchange agreed in 1975 displaced some 140,000 Greek Cypriots from the north and around 60,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south, leaving both parts of the island almost entirely 'ethnically cleansed'. Large numbers of mainland Turks settled in the occupied north.

A Turkish-Cypriot federal state was proclaimed in northern Cyprus in February 1975 with Rauf Denktash as its President. Denktash had previously headed the unrecognized 'transitional administration', established after independence in 1960 to govern the Turkish Cypriot community until constitutional provisions protecting them were fully effective. During his talks with Makarios at that time, four basic conditions were set for a negotiated settlement: the establishment of a bicommunal, non-aligned, independent and federal republic; an exact delimitation of the territories that each community would administer; internal restrictions on travel and ownership rights within the framework of a federal system, with equal rights for both communities; and sufficient federal power to ensure unity. Little progress was made in these negotiations.

On 15 November 1983 the 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' (TRNC) was proclaimed with the imaginary 'green line' from 1974 cutting through the capital, Nicosia, and dividing north from south. Turkey was the only country to recognize this 'state', and successive UN resolutions acknowledge the unity of Cyprus and illegal occupation of the north. The fighting had caused some 11,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south of the island to take refuge in the north; only about 100 remained in the south.

A new Turkish government in 2002 favoured Cypriot reunification, and in 2003 northern Cypriots elected pro-unification leaders. In April 2004, Greek and Turkish Cypriots took part in separate simultaneous referenda on whether Cyprus would join the EU on 1 May 2004 as a re-united island based on a power-sharing agreement brokered by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan. While 64.91 per cent of Turkish Cypriots accepted the Annan Plan, an overwhelming majority of 75.83 per cent of Greek Cypriots rejected the UN blueprint.

The extent of the Greek Cypriot no vote seemingly brought an end to a large-scale effort to find a solution to one of the oldest items on the peacemaking agenda. In the aftermath of the referenda, the European Commission decided to unleash an economic development package for the occupied north. In addition to supporting improvements in infrastructure, the economic aid was destined to help the farming community of the north and to facilitate export of goods to the south and outside the island.

In May 2004, the Republic of Cyprus, including northern Cyprus, became a member state of the European Union. Cypriots in the north are also considered EU citizens but in practice, EU laws are suspended, preventing Turkish Cypriots from taking advantage of the benefits of full EU membership.

Minorities

Whereas in the thirteenth century there were some 60 Maronite villages in Cyprus, now only four villages count a traditional Maronite population. Before the Turkish invasion of 1974 some 2,444 Maronites lived in the traditional areas; that number has now contracted to less than 500. Threats to the continuation of a distinct Maronite identity in the south arise because of intermarriage with Greek Cypriots and the increasing secularization of Cypriot society. The 140 or so Maronites in the north of Cyprus, together with some 400 Greek Cypriots, are referred to in UN documents as 'enclaved groups'. The concept of an 'enclave' is regarded as antithetical to international standards of human rights but appears to exist as a reality in Cyprus in the sense of a territorially defined area of human rights deprivation. Remaining Maronite villages in the north are effectively under close Turkish occupation. Their population is elderly, and if present trends continue there will soon be no Maronite community in the north.


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Governance
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The 1960 constitution of the Republic of Cyprus allots political representation by ethnicity. Officially, Cyprus has an 80-seat, unicameral parliament, with 24 seats reserved for Turkish Cypriots and the rest for Greek Cypriots. The Turkish seats have remained unfilled since 1964. In 2005 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Turkish Cypriots living in the south must be allowed to vote and stand for election in Greek Cypriot elections. By law, Turks living in the north are disallowed from running for parliament in the south, and this is now also under legal challenge.

Minorities

In the de facto 56-seat parliament, no minorities are represented, although the Maronite, Latin (Roman Catholic) and Armenian communities are allowed three non-voting observers. Roma have neither representation nor observer status.

The constitution stipulates that the Cypriot president must be Greek and the Vice President Turkish; the latter office has been vacant since the island's division. This provision denies other minorities the opportunity to run for either of the top two executive posts.

In the unrecognized northern TRNC, Turkish Cypriots elect a parliament, which in turn chooses a prime minister. Greek and Maronite Cypriots are denied the opportunity to run for office, and there are no minorities in parliament.


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Current state of minorities and indigenous peoples
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Parliamentary elections in May 2006 in the Republic of Cyprus rewarded parties that in 2004 had opposed reunification with the north, and there have been no significant developments in the long-running standoff since.

In the south, Greek Cypriot textbooks continue to demonize Turkish Cypriots and Turkey, and Turkish-language schools do not exist. Turkish Cypriots living in the south also complain about difficulty in obtaining identification papers.

In the north, Greek Cypriots and Maronites complain about ongoing surveillance by Turkish Cypriot authorities, including the tapping of their telephones. Maronites in the South are allowed to go to visit properties in the North, but inheritance is an issue: property can only be passed on to Turkish Cypriot nationals.

Maronites in the South are considering taking legal action in order to amend the constitution, in order to recognise them as national (not religious) minorities. Other issues that they lobbying on, include the actual implementation of the Framework Convention on National Minorities and amendment of school curricula to include a better understanding of the contribution of minorities to Cypriot history.

Maronites have struggled more than Armenian and Latin minorities, in terms of access to economic and political power. The Armenian and Latin communities are more prosperous, have better political connections, and the Armenians receive funding for culture and educational issues.

Most marginalised of all, are the small communities of Roma and Pontian Greeks (historically hailing form the Black Sea coast. They are virtually invisible politically, and lacking effective civic representation. They are reportedly enduring very bad living conditions.

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Postby DT. » Wed May 12, 2010 10:28 pm

Here you go Halil

The Vienna III agreement August 1975

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if
they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized
programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at
present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given
every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the
practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and
freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and
without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the
South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and
habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will
be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of
a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

You tell me Halil where this agrees to 180,000 people to be moved out of their homes at gunpoint. :roll:

Everyone flunking their propaganda school tonight.
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Postby halil » Wed May 12, 2010 10:50 pm

DT. wrote:Here you go Halil

The Vienna III agreement August 1975

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if
they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized
programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at
present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given
every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the
practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and
freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and
without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the
South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and
habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will
be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of
a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

You tell me Halil where this agrees to 180,000 people to be moved out of their homes at gunpoint. :roll:

Everyone flunking their propaganda school tonight.


Where did u get 180000 ?

A 'temporary' population exchange agreed in 1975 displaced some 140,000 Greek Cypriots from the north and around 60,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south, leaving both parts of the island almost entirely 'ethnically cleansed'.
read above article .Link shows from where it is copied. www.unhcr.org and u call it propaganda school.
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed May 12, 2010 10:55 pm

DT you prat, the fact is no one has a monopoly on right / wrong. Cyprus problem is as grey as our roads.

Idiots that use the same rubbish over and over knowing full well that there is another side to the argument do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the progress of the Cyprus Problem - DT see the bigger picture yet? - some people are just mentally challenged and cannot think outside their miniscule box! You certainly fit into that category.

How goes your lesson? I think I should complain to the school board as you couldn't teach to save your life.
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