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[DT.]

Here you go Halil

The Vienna III agreement August 1975

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if
they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized
programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at
present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given
every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the
practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and
freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and
without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the
South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and
habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will
be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of
a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

You tell me Halil where this agrees to 180,000 people to be moved out of their homes at gunpoint.

Everyone flunking their propaganda school tonight.

Where did u get 180000 ?

A 'temporary' population exchange agreed in 1975 displaced some 140,000 Greek Cypriots from the north and around 60,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south, leaving both parts of the island almost entirely 'ethnically cleansed'.
read above article .Link shows from where it is copied. www.unhcr.org and u call it propaganda school.

Minority Rights Group International wrote the report halil...try another one.

[DT.]

DT you prat, the fact is no one has a monopoly on right / wrong. Cyprus problem is as grey as our roads.

Idiots that use the same rubbish over and over knowing full well that there is another side to the argument do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the progress of the Cyprus Problem - DT see the bigger picture yet? - some people are just mentally challenged and cannot think outside their miniscule box! You certainly fit into that category.

How goes your lesson? I think I should complain to the school board as you couldn't teach to save your life.

Ok, so...I'm looking for some substance....something to work with....no...nothing...WTF!! an entire post that says nothing!!! How'd you do that?

Would you like to swap treaty stories again?

[DT.]

Here you are Halil...this is off the UN website too. I was wrong, 200,000 refugees.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/1996/ ... h3375.html

In 1974 about 200,000 Greek Cypriots and 40,000 Turkish Cypriots became refugees in their homeland,

[halil]

Here you go Halil

The Vienna III agreement August 1975

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if
they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized
programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at
present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given
every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the
practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and
freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and
without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the
South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and
habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will
be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of
a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

You tell me Halil where this agrees to 180,000 people to be moved out of their homes at gunpoint.

Everyone flunking their propaganda school tonight.

Where did u get 180000 ?

A 'temporary' population exchange agreed in 1975 displaced some 140,000 Greek Cypriots from the north and around 60,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south, leaving both parts of the island almost entirely 'ethnically cleansed'.
read above article .Link shows from where it is copied. www.unhcr.org and u call it propaganda school.

Minority Rights Group International wrote the report halil...try another one.

I knew who wrote the report DT....as far as they are not GC or TC propaganda machines.....

similar arguments are on Nathalie Tocci and Tamara Kovziridze reports about Cyprus (chapter2) and none of them says they force to left their houses at gun points. Its your turn to show us, is there any UN report says that they forced out by gun point in 1975 or they left their homes by contol of the UN. Both side people are escorted by UN and red cross organisations.

as far as i know from the reports, those peoples who were left in Karpasia enclave were left their places with threats from settlers not from the army.

[Get Real!]

A 'temporary' population exchange agreed in 1975 displaced some 140,000 Greek Cypriots from the north and around 60,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south, leaving both parts of the island almost entirely 'ethnically cleansed'.
read above article .Link shows from where it is copied. www.unhcr.org and u call it propaganda school.

That's not a UN document but one belonging to the "Minority Rights Group International" which is why it sounds so good to be "true"!

The UNHCR disclaimer...


http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/disclaimer.html

[humanist]

halil

As a Turkish Cypriot, I am asking ............. Greek Cypriots leadership

STOP HIDING BEHIND THE EU.............STOP HIDING BEHIND the some of The MEMBERS OF THE UN SC


Turkish Cypriots had an expectation from the international community to remove the inhuman and unjust international isolations and embargoes imposed on them for the last 47 years, that such a move would push the Greek Cypriot Administration to adopt a more flexible and constructive stance at the talks.

_________________

Hailil , when you return what you have stolen from the Greek Cypriots you will find that the isolation is removed. The same way you are denying GC's the opportunity to enjoy their land and homes you have to pay a price. Every thief goes to gaol and that is what you are experiencing right now.

stop winging and whining return what is not yours and you will see there is no isolation

[Acikgoz]

OMG! Around and around - humanist the same can be said on behalf of TCs - when the RoC returns the rights it had unconstitutionally usurped then GC property will be returned.

Annan gave us a halfway compromise on property and rights. That was rejected.

No side has superior rights. That's why such nonsense will always recieve and equally valid response.

[DT.]

Here you go Halil

The Vienna III agreement August 1975

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if
they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized
programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at
present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given
every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the
practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and
freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and
without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the
South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and
habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will
be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of
a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

You tell me Halil where this agrees to 180,000 people to be moved out of their homes at gunpoint.

Everyone flunking their propaganda school tonight.

Where did u get 180000 ?

A 'temporary' population exchange agreed in 1975 displaced some 140,000 Greek Cypriots from the north and around 60,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south, leaving both parts of the island almost entirely 'ethnically cleansed'.
read above article .Link shows from where it is copied. www.unhcr.org and u call it propaganda school.

Minority Rights Group International wrote the report halil...try another one.

I knew who wrote the report DT....as far as they are not GC or TC propaganda machines.....

similar arguments are on Nathalie Tocci and Tamara Kovziridze reports about Cyprus (chapter2) and none of them says they force to left their houses at gun points. Its your turn to show us, is there any UN report says that they forced out by gun point in 1975 or they left their homes by contol of the UN. Both side people are escorted by UN and red cross organisations.

as far as i know from the reports, those peoples who were left in Karpasia enclave were left their places with threats from settlers not from the army.

Halil are you telling me that 1/3 of the islands population left their homes in the invasion of 74 escorted by the UN and the Red Cross?

[Gasman]

No side has superior rights.

I am puzzled by what seem to be constant arguments (or slanging matches) on here trying to prove who is in the right and who is in the wrong (or who is more right, or more wrong) which are based on who had the greatest number of their people 'driven out' or 'displaced'.

It is not right that anyone should be driven from their home, whether it be one person or a million people - it doesn't make it any less 'not right' for one side to bring this about if less people are affected. And doesn't make it 'more unjust' if more people are affected.

I just don't get the 'you forced more out than we did' argument put forward as justification or proof of innocence or whatever.

In the same way, someone who lost close family is not going to be more upset about it if 200 thousand other people did, or less upset about it if 40,000 other people did.

[YFred]

No side has superior rights.

I am puzzled by what seem to be constant arguments (or slanging matches) on here trying to prove who is in the right and who is in the wrong (or who is more right, or more wrong) which are based on who had the greatest number of their people 'driven out' or 'displaced'.

It is not right that anyone should be driven from their home, whether it be one person or a million people - it doesn't make it any less 'not right' for one side to bring this about if less people are affected. And doesn't make it 'more unjust' if more people are affected.

I just don't get the 'you forced more out than we did' argument put forward as justification or proof of innocence or whatever.

In the same way, someone who lost close family is not going to be more upset about it if 200 thousand other people did, or less upset about it if 40,000 other people did.

Agreed but surely timing matters. They started it as it were. Drove thousands of people from their home in 63, long before 74, not that I am trying one upmanship. I accept that GC were also driven from their homes but TC not only were in far greater numbers but ended up in suffocating enclaves with the GCs suffocating them till 74.
Make that what you will; they don't shine like a white knight in shining armor whichever way you look at it.