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Between Atatürk's Secularism and Fundamentalist Islam

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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon May 10, 2010 3:33 pm

YFred wrote:
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umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:more importantly how is turkey's changing of the guard affecting the occupied areas...i heard recently the akp won the right to a ref on the new constitution....


If the new Constitution passes the army will loose a lot of their power. If the change goes through it will be possible for officers to be trialled in civilian courts.

What gravely concerns me and most other people with this new Constitution are the powers given to Parliament and the President, over the appointment of Constitutional Court judges.

I don't think any of this will affect Cyprus. On another note a ref will be held in the north over changes in the constitution also. According to the trnc Constitution any change must be followed by a referendum. One of the main changes is to abolish the need to go to a ref, thus the 2/3 approval of parliament will be enough to pass any changes.


Who else suspects that the recent campaign to drive opposition leader Baykal from office by foul means is connected to this, especially given that Baykal's CHP has promised to take the constitutional amendment package to the Constitutional Court before it even makes it to a refrendum?

Is CHP pro-Military now?


I posted a translation of an article that appeared last year after the Greek elections in Radikal by the journalist Oral Çalışlar, who leans towards Social Democracy, entitled: "Why is the left capable of winning in Greece and not here?"

http://www.timdrayton.com/a39.html

In it, Çalışlar argues that the CHP has never really been able to distance itself from support for past coups and the traditional system of military guardianship, which has tainted its image in the eyes of many voters. I think he has a point.
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Postby umit07 » Mon May 10, 2010 3:55 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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boomerang wrote:more importantly how is turkey's changing of the guard affecting the occupied areas...i heard recently the akp won the right to a ref on the new constitution....


If the new Constitution passes the army will loose a lot of their power. If the change goes through it will be possible for officers to be trialled in civilian courts.

What gravely concerns me and most other people with this new Constitution are the powers given to Parliament and the President, over the appointment of Constitutional Court judges.

I don't think any of this will affect Cyprus. On another note a ref will be held in the north over changes in the constitution also. According to the trnc Constitution any change must be followed by a referendum. One of the main changes is to abolish the need to go to a ref, thus the 2/3 approval of parliament will be enough to pass any changes.


Who else suspects that the recent campaign to drive opposition leader Baykal from office by foul means is connected to this, especially given that Baykal's CHP has promised to take the constitutional amendment package to the Constitutional Court before it even makes it to a refrendum?


AKP is very cunning in their means. Baykal should of stepped down long ago he's a bloody dinosaur.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 10, 2010 4:05 pm

umit07 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:more importantly how is turkey's changing of the guard affecting the occupied areas...i heard recently the akp won the right to a ref on the new constitution....


If the new Constitution passes the army will loose a lot of their power. If the change goes through it will be possible for officers to be trialled in civilian courts.

What gravely concerns me and most other people with this new Constitution are the powers given to Parliament and the President, over the appointment of Constitutional Court judges.

I don't think any of this will affect Cyprus. On another note a ref will be held in the north over changes in the constitution also. According to the trnc Constitution any change must be followed by a referendum. One of the main changes is to abolish the need to go to a ref, thus the 2/3 approval of parliament will be enough to pass any changes.


Who else suspects that the recent campaign to drive opposition leader Baykal from office by foul means is connected to this, especially given that Baykal's CHP has promised to take the constitutional amendment package to the Constitutional Court before it even makes it to a refrendum?


AKP is very cunning in their means. Baykal should of stepped down long ago he's a bloody dinosaur.



Are you suggesting a 'Meteor attack' Umit?
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Postby YFred » Mon May 10, 2010 4:15 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
umit07 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:more importantly how is turkey's changing of the guard affecting the occupied areas...i heard recently the akp won the right to a ref on the new constitution....


If the new Constitution passes the army will loose a lot of their power. If the change goes through it will be possible for officers to be trialled in civilian courts.

What gravely concerns me and most other people with this new Constitution are the powers given to Parliament and the President, over the appointment of Constitutional Court judges.

I don't think any of this will affect Cyprus. On another note a ref will be held in the north over changes in the constitution also. According to the trnc Constitution any change must be followed by a referendum. One of the main changes is to abolish the need to go to a ref, thus the 2/3 approval of parliament will be enough to pass any changes.


Who else suspects that the recent campaign to drive opposition leader Baykal from office by foul means is connected to this, especially given that Baykal's CHP has promised to take the constitutional amendment package to the Constitutional Court before it even makes it to a refrendum?


AKP is very cunning in their means. Baykal should of stepped down long ago he's a bloody dinosaur.



Are you suggesting a 'Meteor attack' Umit?

Qua blimey, has he had a meteoric rise to success or something?
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Postby halil » Mon May 10, 2010 4:16 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
umit07 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:more importantly how is turkey's changing of the guard affecting the occupied areas...i heard recently the akp won the right to a ref on the new constitution....


If the new Constitution passes the army will loose a lot of their power. If the change goes through it will be possible for officers to be trialled in civilian courts.

What gravely concerns me and most other people with this new Constitution are the powers given to Parliament and the President, over the appointment of Constitutional Court judges.

I don't think any of this will affect Cyprus. On another note a ref will be held in the north over changes in the constitution also. According to the trnc Constitution any change must be followed by a referendum. One of the main changes is to abolish the need to go to a ref, thus the 2/3 approval of parliament will be enough to pass any changes.


Who else suspects that the recent campaign to drive opposition leader Baykal from office by foul means is connected to this, especially given that Baykal's CHP has promised to take the constitutional amendment package to the Constitutional Court before it even makes it to a refrendum?


AKP is very cunning in their means. Baykal should of stepped down long ago he's a bloody dinosaur.



Are you suggesting a 'Meteor attack' Umit?


Baykal resigned today !



Consitution about junta generals also passed from the Turkish assembly.
General Evren and his CO's will get on judges.....
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 10, 2010 4:21 pm

halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
umit07 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:more importantly how is turkey's changing of the guard affecting the occupied areas...i heard recently the akp won the right to a ref on the new constitution....


If the new Constitution passes the army will loose a lot of their power. If the change goes through it will be possible for officers to be trialled in civilian courts.

What gravely concerns me and most other people with this new Constitution are the powers given to Parliament and the President, over the appointment of Constitutional Court judges.

I don't think any of this will affect Cyprus. On another note a ref will be held in the north over changes in the constitution also. According to the trnc Constitution any change must be followed by a referendum. One of the main changes is to abolish the need to go to a ref, thus the 2/3 approval of parliament will be enough to pass any changes.


Who else suspects that the recent campaign to drive opposition leader Baykal from office by foul means is connected to this, especially given that Baykal's CHP has promised to take the constitutional amendment package to the Constitutional Court before it even makes it to a refrendum?


AKP is very cunning in their means. Baykal should of stepped down long ago he's a bloody dinosaur.



Are you suggesting a 'Meteor attack' Umit?


Baykal resigned today !

Consitution about junta generals also passed from the Turkish assembly.
General Evren and his CO's will get on judges.....



Meteor attack = extinction of dinisaurs.

Its happened already :shock:
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Postby YFred » Mon May 10, 2010 4:24 pm

Halil can you explain your last comment. Did you mean that they may have to go infront of a judge and be prosecuted?
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Postby halil » Mon May 10, 2010 4:27 pm

YFred wrote:Halil can you explain your last comment. Did you mean that they may have to go infront of a judge and be prosecuted?


yes Yfred ..... they can .

also deep state man Baykal resign today.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon May 10, 2010 5:04 pm

halil wrote:
YFred wrote:Halil can you explain your last comment. Did you mean that they may have to go infront of a judge and be prosecuted?


yes Yfred ..... they can .

also deep state man Baykal resign today.


That is a bit harsh, don't you think?

Will this affect the CHP's planned challenge in the Constitutional Court?
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon May 10, 2010 5:46 pm

Just read the article, which has to be taken seriously, given its author. More evidence perhaps that influential people in the USA are sitting up and taking notice, and the policy of pursuing the chimera of 'moderate Islam' in Turkey may be nearing an end.
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