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[Kikapu]

We also interviewed an Asiana Airlines B767 Captain who failed the simulator. He turned the wrong way whilst conducting a non visual instrument approach at Cairns at night with Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) deactivated. We crashed into a hillside believe it or not. I know this because I was allocated FO duties for each applicant. I was there operating the radios, gear, flaps and applying correct power settings, whilst they fly. So I was their pretend FO and it was up to them to utilise me and reduce their workload. No other input provided.

Paphitis,

Reading the above, it reminded me, that I had received as a Christmas present a 1 1/2 hours time on a Boeing 737 simulator. I have until the end of the year to do it.

Any hints on how not to crash.?

I doubt whether you will be doing any night non visual instrument approaches.

The B737 is very stable, and easy to fly. You will be briefed about Yaw, Pitch, Roll, Climbing and Descending and Straight and Level. You probably will be positioned on the runway, aircraft correctly configured for TO and then you will open the gates and away you go. V Speeds(this will be explained to you at the briefing) will be called out and you will know what to do with a little assistance from your instructor. Then you are airborne and gear is selected up and aircraft cleaned (Flaps Up).

The experience and sense of accomplishment is what you will take from the experience. You will do some turns, climbs and descends, and some steep turns. Then he will get you to steer some headings and maintain altitude. He might then demonstrate some emergencies such as Flame Out, Engine Fire just to show you how chaotic things can get. He will then vector you around and configure you for approach. He will probably set power settings for a while and then let you have a go.

Just throw the plane around a bit.

You will then be positioned on Final with the runway directly in front of you, and you will land the B737.

Ask him to let you do a non visual Instrument Landing System (ILS) Approach to minimas or Decision Height and let me know what happens. You won't crash, but even if you do, you won't feel a thing.

The simulators are very realistic though. Ask for full movement, although be warned, you are basically sitting in a closet and some people get motion sickness.

You won't crash, but if you want to do something interesting, do the non visual ILS to Decision Height. That is as close to crashing as you're going to get...

Thanks for the tips.

I'll try to make you proud.!

[YFred]

We also interviewed an Asiana Airlines B767 Captain who failed the simulator. He turned the wrong way whilst conducting a non visual instrument approach at Cairns at night with Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) deactivated. We crashed into a hillside believe it or not. I know this because I was allocated FO duties for each applicant. I was there operating the radios, gear, flaps and applying correct power settings, whilst they fly. So I was their pretend FO and it was up to them to utilise me and reduce their workload. No other input provided.

Paphitis,

Reading the above, it reminded me, that I had received as a Christmas present a 1 1/2 hours time on a Boeing 737 simulator. I have until the end of the year to do it.

Any hints on how not to crash.?

Don't let go of your Joystick whatever happens. Bafitis hangs on to his even when he is not flying.

The men in white coats didn't come to take you away yet old chap, what?

Strange enough I had a visitation from a doctor and she was wearing a white coat.

Deniz, pull yourself together man and stop laughing.

[CBBB]

We also interviewed an Asiana Airlines B767 Captain who failed the simulator. He turned the wrong way whilst conducting a non visual instrument approach at Cairns at night with Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) deactivated. We crashed into a hillside believe it or not. I know this because I was allocated FO duties for each applicant. I was there operating the radios, gear, flaps and applying correct power settings, whilst they fly. So I was their pretend FO and it was up to them to utilise me and reduce their workload. No other input provided.

Paphitis,

Reading the above, it reminded me, that I had received as a Christmas present a 1 1/2 hours time on a Boeing 737 simulator. I have until the end of the year to do it.

Any hints on how not to crash.?

Don't let go of your Joystick whatever happens. Bafitis hangs on to his even when he is not flying.

The men in white coats didn't come to take you away yet old chap, what?

Strange enough I had a visitation from a doctor and she was wearing a white coat.

Deniz, pull yourself together man and stop laughing.

..and she didn't take you away, ha ha, old chap, what?

[larnacaman]

Paphitis,
Agree with almost everything you have said here, especially on CyAir , It needs just such a shake-up if it is to survive the ''Real World''!!! All that ''dead wood'' will eventually bring it to it's knees, whether it merges with Eurocypria or not!!!

As for exploring new destination markets, Number one on there list should be Hong Kong, and a close second Beijing/Shanghai. But these flights must be able to link up with ongoing Flights to Europe and UK.... The new enormous market in China is just wide open right now for the smaller carriers to get a foothold, leave it too long and the door of opportunity will close...

Not so sure if forward ticket booking is as cost saving as it used to be, personally i think those days have almost gone. I tend to get much better prices when i start looking maybe just 3 weeks or less before i intend to travel. It may still hold for flights originating in Cyprus as it's almost a captive market, but not so much when were talking about flights originating out of Europe or UK and elsewhere....

[sniper]

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[larnacaman]

Kikapu,

Your basing your 20/30 min turnround on domestic shuttle or hop flights in America, These flights are little more than an air taxi.... Your 20/30 minute turnround for an international flight, ....in ANY country is virtually not possible!!! It's gonna take that long to load and unload passengers let alone the loading and unloading of baggage etc etc....

Your assumption of aircraft not needing to be refuelled is a little off too. they don't like to take-off and land passenger aircraft with full or near full feuled up planes. They generally fly domestically with enough fuel + reserve to reach their final destination if short or medium distance. They never fly fully feuled on shuttle services or multiple stop flights. There might even be laws/rules that forbid this practise, ...we'll see if anyone else here can throw any light on that one!!!

As i stated before, Safety and security now plays a big part of any air carrier's schedule, and it wouldn't take much these days to knock even those Air taxi's turnrounds way, way off course, ....let alone international flights. The standard that I've known for years now, is that a normal turnaround for international flights isn't gonna be less than around an hour and could even be a little more .....

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

Your basing your 20/30 min turnround on domestic shuttle or hop flights in America, These flights are little more than an air taxi.... Your 20/30 minute turnround for an international flight, ....in ANY country is virtually not possible!!! It's gonna take that long to load and unload passengers let alone the loading and unloading of baggage etc etc....

Your assumption of aircraft not needing to be refuelled is a little off too. they don't like to take-off and land passenger aircraft with full or near full feuled up planes. They generally fly domestically with enough fuel + reserve to reach their final destination if short or medium distance. They never fly fully feuled on shuttle services or multiple stop flights. There might even be laws/rules that forbid this practise, ...we'll see if anyone else here can throw any light on that one!!!

As i stated before, Safety and security now plays a big part of any air carrier's schedule, and it wouldn't take much these days to knock even those Air taxi's turnrounds way, way off course, ....let alone international flights. The standard that I've known for years now, is that a normal turnaround for international flights isn't gonna be less than around an hour and could even be a little more .....

The argument was, which was made by someone, that budget airlines cut cost which may effect the safe operation of the aircraft, in which Paphitis made very valid point as to why that is not the case, and I added extra points as to what budget airlines makes money over regular airlines, which many lose money year after year. One of the advantages the budget airlines have over the regular airlines is, they fly smaller planes, keep thrills down to nothing, take away reserved settings, fly short distances, turn their planes around as fast as possible so that they can carry as many people as possible in 24 hours per aircraft, based on demand, of course.

I was in no was saying that all airlines can do this, or even they would want to do it. In many cases, major airlines in the US have what's called "regional airlines" that they themselves are the parent company which are used as feeders to their hubs to bring passengers from small towns and cities, who also use a very fast turn around flights. It doesn't matter what you call these operations in the US, companies like Southwest has been kicking the pants of the majors when it comes to making money, because people like to use them. They are cheaper by and large and they also offer one way fares, which are much cheaper than round trip fares. You can also get one way fares with the major airlines, but very often, one way fares costs more than return fares. Why? Because they stick it to the business traveller who often book a ticket that morning and only wants to go one way. They are ripping the people off. They want to make you believe, that the return flight has no monetary value and that it is free from the airlines, since return flight would be actually cheaper in most cases. Before 2001, you can buy one way flighty offered in classifieds by those who bought round trip when the only wanted to fly one way, but the cost for one way was much higher than return flights. In those days, ID was not required to board an aircraft for domestic flights, so people sold their unused return part of their tickets. These days, the airlines will come after you if you only use only one portion of your return ticket, because one would would have been more expensive.

And no, you are very wrong when you say this 20-30 minute turn around can only happen in the USA as a domestic flight. Have you not heard of Easy Jet and Ryan Air. They are International. Easy Jet does 30 minutes turn around flights from UK to Zurich and Basel, both in Switzerland. Morning flights to Zurich may take 45 minutes, just because the airport is busy, and not because Easy-Jet can't turn their planes in 30 minutes. Pegasus from Istanbul to Stansted, London, do a 40 minutes turnaround with their B-737. Why 40 minutes?. Well, because they have reserved seating, meals on board, it's a 3 hour flight, which will take on fuel, possible carry cargo, dump the head, baggage off and on, clean the aircraft. That flight too is an International flights.

Quiet frankly, I don't know what it is that you are arguing about.??

[larnacaman]

Kikapu,


I know how it all started on this topic, and for the main part of your original post, i agree wholeheartedly with you. Just not on the turnround times you state. I've just flown too many flights for too many years to too many destinations on too many airlines to know it just ain't so!!
So Sure I've heard of these airlines you mention, I've flown them often enough to know them only too well and to the destinations you mention!!! They may work on a ludicrous 30 min turnround ...but they never achieve it, and they don't do it in 40 minutes either. Look, .... anything from a 737, Small Airbus (too many variations to list) it takes a minimum of 20 mins to unload and load passengers, especially when anywhere near full. Many of these budget airlines, don't pay premiums for the caterpillar gantries, instead parking on designated areas that are served by bus/coach transportation of passengers, ....more time involved.
Not actually arguing with you as such, just pointing out a few things as to why there's no such thing as 20 min turnround on international flights on aircraft of any decent size, and the bigger the plane gets, the further away you get from the 20/30 min turnround....

[Get Real!]

I’ve never met anyone in real life that had such a fascination with flights and airports like some of the people on this forum…

One could be forgiven for thinking that they’re just a bunch of planes parked next to each other on a tarmac having a chit-chat!

[Oracle]

I’ve never met anyone in real life that had such a fascination with flights and airports like some of the people on this forum…

One could be forgiven for thinking that they’re just a bunch of planes parked next to each other on a tarmac having a chit-chat!

I'm with you on this GR!

Why can't people accept they have to pay a price for the luxury of flying .. it's not exactly something which comes naturally to us after all! And to fly to such a specifically important place like Cyprus does not come cheap. Do we need these moaners in land-short Cyprus?

No!

Either come if you can afford it or shut up complaining you boring ne'er do wells!

Go to Majorca!