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[Paphitis]

Tim you should be ashamed of yourself.

What else would you call an invader and a regime which illegally occupies a sovereign State, has ethnically cleansed a third of the island?

You are not making any sense....

If you defend the legitimacy of the Republic of Cyprus, then according to Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment which underpins that Republic, Turkish Cypriots are citizens of the Republic. So, to my logic, unless you wish to deny the legitimacy of the Republic you cannot brand the Turkish Cypriots as invaders.

I don't believe anyone has done this.

Yes, the TCs are citizens of the RoC. I agree.

[Tim Drayton]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

[CopperLine]

Again you are trying to put words in my mouth because you are unable to argue against what I actually say. This is called the Straw Man Fallacy:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Piratis, I know what a straw man fallacy is without that internet link. You provide hundreds of examples of such fallacies,including in this last reply.

What I support is no "lynch-mob 'justice'" this is the kind of "justice" you applied in your "peace operation".

Piratis, I've never advocated lynch mob justice and it wasn't my 'peace operation', it was an invasion.

What I support is that those who have committed the crime of treason should be taken to courts and if found guilty of this heinous crime should be given the death penalty.

Piratis, I am fundamentally and unequivocally opposed to the death penalty. (It is rather odd that as a self-styled defender of human rights you support the death penalty, not least because it is prohibited by the ECHR protocol of which even Turkey is a signatory)

And I do not wonder why the TCs refuse us. I know very well why they do it. It is the same reason they do it since the very first time they set their foot on our island: To have gains on the expense of the local population by being the people loyal to the invader.

Piratis, no : you just don't get it. (1) TCs are Cypriots. They're not guests, they're not visitors, they're not settlers - they are natives of Cyprus, they are Cypriots. (2) They have suffered a history of discrimination and a suspension of constitutional rights and protection since the early 1960s. (3) For reasons good or bad, Turkey intervened under the guise of protection of TCs. (4) Since 1974 TCs have not been subject to attack from GCs. We might argue over the details, we might argue over the legitimacy of any of these steps, and we might argue over the relative weight of these facts, BUT I can see no reason why TCs should find the kinds of views you post as anything but frightening.

[MR-from-NG]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

[Pyrpolizer]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

Because he thinks he is a mainland Turk Tim....

See my previous post, where i tried to calm down things....Copperline NEVER told us his nationality....

[Paphitis]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

I believe he was addressing the occupation regime instead.

He isn't the type to refer to all TCs as "filthy criminal invaders".

Maybe he thinks Copper is a settler.

[Tim Drayton]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

Because he thinks he is a mainland Turk Tim....

See my previous post, where i tried to calm down things....Copperline NEVER told us his nationality....

I take your point, there, because he has never actually stated his nationality. Certain things that he (she?) has written have always lead me to believe that he is a Turkish Cypriot.

[Tim Drayton]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

I believe he was addressing the occupation regime instead.

He isn't the type to refer to all TCs as "filthy criminal invaders".

Maybe he thinks Copper is a settler.

Somebody, while posting on an Internet forum, believes themself to be interacting with the abstract entity that is a regime and not an individual? Interesting.

[MR-from-NG]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

No, he wasn't. He addressed Copperline as a "filthy, criminal invader."

Because he thinks he is a mainland Turk Tim....

See my previous post, where i tried to calm down things....Copperline NEVER told us his nationality....

Come on Pyrpolizer, this man hates anything Turkish, including us TC's with a passion. He has always made it clear that we shouldn't even be here. The man is full of venom and hatred for us.

What he thinks of Copperline he thinks of all TC's. He is most probably a true representative of GC's which means there is no chance of ever reunifying the island. I certainly don't want to be anywhere near the likes of this horrible person.

[Jerry]

Because he thinks he is a mainland Turk Tim....

See my previous post, where i tried to calm down things....Copperline NEVER told us his nationality....

Its quite obvious , judging by his command of english, that he is British or at least english is his first language.