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[Paphitis]

Tim you should be ashamed of yourself.

What else would you call an invader and a regime which illegally occupies a sovereign State, has ethnically cleansed a third of the island?

You are not making any sense....

[Paphitis]

dp

[CopperLine]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

There you go again Piratis. Bit dim all the same, to make allegations against people that you don't know, to presume their actions before any evidence, to judge with prejudice and to condemn without due process. Your last post eloquently confirmed your lynch-mob 'justice'. And you wonder why Turkish Cypriots continue to refuse you ?

[Piratis]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

There you go again Piratis. Bit dim all the same, to make allegations against people that you don't know, to presume their actions before any evidence, to judge with prejudice and to condemn without due process. Your last post eloquently confirmed your lynch-mob 'justice'. And you wonder why Turkish Cypriots continue to refuse you ?

Again you are trying to put words in my mouth because you are unable to argue against what I actually say. This is called the Straw Man Fallacy:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

What I support is no "lynch-mob 'justice'" this is the kind of "justice" you applied in your "peace operation".

What I support is that those who have committed the crime of treason should be taken to courts and if found guilty of this heinous crime should be given the death penalty.

And I do not wonder why the TCs refuse us. I know very well why they do it. It is the same reason they do it since the very first time they set their foot on our island: To have gains on the expense of the local population by being the people loyal to the invader.

[BOF]

From todays Sunday Mail : this seems to contain a fuller version of the original blog message ??]


INTELLECTUAL terror and a threat to democracy was how the heroic defenders of free speech saw the confiscation of two PCs by the cops from the home of a Nicosia lawyer, who allegedly administered the ultra-patriotic blog Christofias-watch.

The blog, humorously, claims to be run by ‘The Committee for the restoration of democracy in Cyprus’, but there the humour ends. Most of the content consists of sanctimonious attacks on the comrade for his positions at the talks. The blog which also operates a forum, often labels people who do not share its ultra-patriotic views on the Cyprob, traitors, agents, Turk-worshippers etc.

The cops confiscated the PCs from the home of lawyer Xenis Xenophontos, after they had traced the IP address of the blog having secured court orders for all their actions. The blog had been reported to the Attorney-general by journalist Makarios Droushiotis for featuring threatening and abusive comments against him. The police subsequently decided to investigate whether there was a case of incitement to commit a crime.

It was as part of this investigation that the police took the PCs and infuriated all great and good patriots of Kyproulla for supposedly exercising Stalinist-type intellectual terror and suppressing free speech. Below is an excerpt of what was written on the blog that prompted Droushiotis to report the case to the AG. This is the type of freedom of expression the holier-than-thou lawyers have been passionately defending since Thursday.



“IF Makarios lived in Ireland and instead of being an arse-wipe of the Turks and English here, he was an arse-wipe of the English, they would have killed him a long time ago and nobody would have known about it. If Makarios lived in Palestine and instead of being and arse-wipe of the Turks and English here, he was an arse-wipe of the English and the Israelis, they would have killed him a long time ago and nobody would have known about it....

“Conclusion: Only in Cyprus could Makarios live. (This is the place) where traitors, collaborators, rent-boys, the whores and arse-wipes of the occupier (and this little man of shame is all of the above) can strut around. The traitors deserve fire and axe. A pit with lime-stone for the collaborators.”



ALL BASH-PATRIOTIC parties and politicians slammed the police for dealing a blow against democracy, showing excessive zeal, abusing their power and the government of exercising intellectual terror and of attempting silencing the opposing view.

Democracy was in plaster, claimed Yiorkos Lillikas, one of the defenders of free speech who as spokesman of the Ethnarch routinely dismissed the great leader’s critics as Turkish agents. And all today’s defenders of the opposing view – Ethnarch Junior, Koulias, Omirou, Syllouris, Rikkos et al – did exactly the same during the Ethnarch’s intolerant rule, but stopped short of calling the critics arse-wipes of the Turks.

Back in those days, intellectual terror, which included an orchestrated campaign of lies about briberies, aimed at discrediting the arse-wipes of the Turks who opposed the Ethnarch’s decisions, was perfectly acceptable as it was for the good of the country. There is good and bad intellectual terror, a bit like good and bad cholesterol.

When the cops enter the house of a lawyer at 6am and confiscate his PC it is bad but when party leaders and hacks accuse citizens of taking bribes from the US, without having a shred of evidence it is good intellectual terror.

P.S We haven’t heard anything recently about when Michalis Ignatiou’s eagerly-awaited book about the above-mentioned bribes would be published.



LISTENING to the outraged defenders of the right to call people you disagree with, whores, traitors and arse-wipes, on the Friday morning radio shows, I realised that apart from stupidity, hypocrisy is also invincible in the People’s Republic of Kyproulla.

If a fraction of the above abuse was directed against any of the lawyers, beating their breasts about intellectual terror on the air-waves, they would not have hesitated exercising legal terror – filing libel suits, securing gagging orders and demanding millions in compensation.

If this column wrote that lawyer Kokos Kolosfongarios was a dishonest, greedy arse-wipe, who deserved to die because he used is ultra-patriotism for the sole purpose of making loads of money we would be served with a libel suit and reported to the cops. How many of the lawyers, defending Christofias-watch’s right to heap obscenities on people, would have gone on radio to claim this was suppression of free speech?

I think we all know the answer but I will not for a minute suggest that our idealistic lawyer/politicians are pathetic hypocrites, because there is no guarantee that they would be in a respect-for-freedom-of-expression mood today.



THE LAWYER, who is representing Xenis the suspected blog administrator, is the pompous, big legal ego Christos Clerides, un-affectionately referred to by his colleagues at the courts as ‘o omorphos’ (the handsome one).

Omorphos issued a statement on behalf of his client, claiming the cops had violated the privacy of communications by securing the IP address of the blog and that their action constituted ‘political persecution’. The real objective of the cops was to close down Christofias-watch because it was a thorn in the side of the government he argued.

On the radio shows on Friday morning, he was hysterically self-righteous. He slammed the intellectual terror and the violation of the right to free speech, likening Kyproulla to a Stalinist state. He also insisted that the threats in the blog should not have been taken seriously by the authorities, implying that the bloggers should have been allowed to carry on writing grossly offensive obscenities about people they did not like.

Would the holier-than-thou legal ego have defended freedom of expression so zealously if the obscenities and threats had been directed at him? Certainly not. When this establishment poked some fun at Clerides, for his patronising treatment of a fellow guest on a TV show last January, he served us with a libel suit. There were no obscenities or death threats in our item, but he still took it very seriously and is demanding between 50 and 100 grand in compensation for hurting his ego.

Perhaps now that he has become a passionate champion of freedom of expression, he will withdraw his libel suit against us.



KYPROULLA’S government was behaving like the authorities of North Korea and China claimed Clerides, Junior, Rikkos and the rest of the free speech campaigners. Only in those countries did the cops confiscate PCs and try to stop free speech.

This was not correct, and because we want to be fair to our North Korean and Chinese friends, we should mention that police in Brussels, the capital of the EU, have also been known to confiscate PCs and nobody accused Belgium of being a Stalinist state.

Hans-Martin Tillack, the Brussels correspondent of the German magazine Stern, had his flat raided, and had his lap-top, files and address books seized some six years ago. His alleged crime was that he had exposed corruption scandals involving EU officials. The raid had been ordered by Olaf, the EU anti-corruption unit.

Tillack sued the Belgian government for this treatment and won the case. So the next time Junior or Clerides want to attack the government’s intellectual terror, they should not only make parallels with North Korea. Our authorities were behaving in a very European way in confiscating Xenis’ PCs.



NEITHER our democracy nor free speech is under threat from the comrade president’s government. What is under real threat and justifies wild public hysteria is our economy which has been going from bad to worse thanks to his ineptitude and cowardice.

Instead of cutting public sector jobs he is creating new ones. Another 46 positions, commanding high salaries, have been created in the public sector for Akelites, and even the public parasites union PASYDY has expressed public objections. Meanwhile the negotiations he was to hold personally with PASYDY’S reps, in order to persuade them to accept cost-cutting measures, have not even begun. Since announcing his initiative, two months ago, one inconclusive meeting was held.

If he shows the same urgency he displayed in the Cyprob talks, in negotiations with the parasite bosses we are certain to be declared the second Greek state of the EU

[CopperLine]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

There you go again Piratis. Bit dim all the same, to make allegations against people that you don't know, to presume their actions before any evidence, to judge with prejudice and to condemn without due process. Your last post eloquently confirmed your lynch-mob 'justice'. And you wonder why Turkish Cypriots continue to refuse you ?

Again you are trying to put words in my mouth because you are unable to argue against what I actually say. This is called the Straw Man Fallacy:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

What I support is no "lynch-mob 'justice'" this is the kind of "justice" you applied in your "peace operation".

What I support is that those who have committed the crime of treason should be taken to courts and if found guilty of this heinous crime should be given the death penalty.

And I do not wonder why the TCs refuse us. I know very well why they do it. It is the same reason they do it since the very first time they set their foot on our island: To have gains on the expense of the local population by being the people loyal to the invader.

These are the words taken from your original post on this thread:

There was no threat directed personally against Drousiotis, but a general (and valid) comment to what should happen to all traitors.

So you Piratis endorsed the extra-judicial, lynch-mob, vengeance-filled killing of this individual whom you accused of being a traitor (as fully detailed in BOF latest post).

Belatedly and quite unpersuasively you say that these threats to kill 'traitors' should be done through the courts. Yeah, right If that is what you sincerely meant, may I humbly suggest that you put your brain in gear before inciting the lynch-mob.

There's little point in making baseless accusations against me when it is your words which have put you in this mess.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw Copperline never told us his nationality. I suspect he is some Turkish diplomat, but nevertheless I personally respect him because he has deep knowledge on legal matters. Also when I was more actively participating here he tried his best to be impartial...

[Tim Drayton]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

[Paphitis]

The mass murders in Cyprus of 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time were committed by the Turkish invaders. People who collaborate with the invaders are traitors and they deserve to be treated accordingly.

I do not support the murder of any innocents, but the punishment of traitors who are anything but innocent. I support our right to protest against the invaders and their collaborators and demand justice and the liberation of our island.

You don't support the murder of innocents but you do support extra-judicial killings (you've just said so) you do support lynch mob justice (you've just said so), you do support vengeance killings of those who you disagree (you've just said so). And you Piratis speak of your support for human rights ! Human rights in your book spells self-interest, because when you advocate extra-judicial, lynch-mob, and vengeance killings, of necessity innocent people will be killed. In every one else's book that defines a fascist.

Apart from you advocating the casual breach of the most basic right to life, you also deny people a right to a fair trial - with you and your murderous friends acting as prosecution, judge, jury and executioner.

Yours is a disgraceful posting.

I do not support any of those things you filthy criminal invader.

What I support is to take those who collaborate with you to help you occupy our country and violate our human rights, take them to courts, and if found guilty of collaborating with the enemy in any way, execute them. Treason is one of the worst crimes for which the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, especially in times of war.

Traitors are not "innocent", far from it. I would never support the murder of any innocent. This is what you do.

"Filthy, criminal invader"? Well, well, well. A good of example of the point I just made to you on another thread:

"Nobody is helping Turkey more than died-in-the-wool bigots like yourself, but you will never understand that."

Why don't you tell me in what way I am helping Turkey?

You, if I am not mistaken, are addressing Turkish Cypriots, en masse, as "filthy, criminal invaders." Turkish Cypriots, on hearing this kind of comment, will conclude that they do not wish to risk their lives by reuniting with such rabid , Turk-hating fascists and would prefer to have the Turkish Army there to protect them in their statelet so that they can sleep safely at nights. This suits Turkey's long-term goals. Once partition has become solidified and the north has been turned into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps Turkey will send you a medal for all of your good services.

Allow me to interject.

I believe he was referring to Turkey and the illegal occupation regime. Piratis would not do what you accuse him of.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim you should be ashamed of yourself.

What else would you call an invader and a regime which illegally occupies a sovereign State, has ethnically cleansed a third of the island?

You are not making any sense....

If you defend the legitimacy of the Republic of Cyprus, then according to Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment which underpins that Republic, Turkish Cypriots are citizens of the Republic. So, to my logic, unless you wish to deny the legitimacy of the Republic you cannot brand the Turkish Cypriots as invaders.