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[Acikgoz]

Birkibrisli, you keep talking about empathy and compassion. You have done this since day one you started writing here. Yet, few people understand what you are saying. The rest have their ears hermetically shut to your calls. I believe this is because they can not get themselves to appreciate that there are Turkish Cypriots who are human after all. They want Turks to be monsters so that they can fuel their misanthropist hatred to anything Turkish. Anything else will disturb their stereotype view which has been ingrained into their genes and of course will turn their world upside down. So please, show some compassion for these baggers too for they cannot help it.

I think the best representative of these people is Piratis himself, who declined to meet Erol, some time ago, because as he said, after meeting him, he might get to like him and this would make it difficult for him to shoot him, if it came to war!

Yet, you might just as well forget my first paragraph in which I tried to psychoanalyse the diehards. May be, the phenomenon is not as complicated as we make it to be. It could be down to plain stupidity.

No,I don't think it is plain stupidity,Bananiot...I am coming to the conclusion that they are mentally ill...They have been terribly brainwashed to believe their side is 100% right...They are in denial,and they will not allow themselves to feel any empathy or compassion,as that would entail accepting that the other side is human as well...Their fragile mental state dictates that they maintain the rage and the hatred,without which their lives would have no meaning or purpose...They should get professional help,but they never will because they do not believe there is anything the matter with them...Truly crazed people think they are perfectly normal,everybody else is mad...These are truly crazy people...And they are dangerous...Mostly to themselves...

I never said that our side is "100%" right, and on tons of occasions I recognized your suffering. But you keep ignoring this and the reason you do it is obvious: You can not argue against what I say so you instead try to create some imaginary Piratis, and defeat the "arguments" of this imaginary Piratis. It is called the Strawman fallacy:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

On the other hand you believe that GCs should "pay the price" for everything that happened in the past while TCs to be rewarded with more powers, privileges and land as a reward for their suffering.

Doesn't this show that you believe that your side is the one which is 100% right and you are in denial about the harm you have caused to us? Surely if you had accepted even part of your own responsibility then you wouldn't have the position that a solution to the Cyprus Problem means the punishment of GCs and the reward of TCs.

Piratis, good concept the strawman, however note how you just did it again, you undermined the relative position you implied between the strawman and yourself - they represent the same person.
1. You can not argue against what I say - not accurate
2. You believe that GCs should "pay the price" for everything that happened in the past - not accurate
3. TCs to be rewarded with more powers, privileges and land as a reward for their suffering - not accurate
4. Untrue statements 1-3 => you believe that your side is the one which is 100% right and you are in denial about the harm you have caused to us? - not accurate
5. If you had accepted even part of your own responsibility then you wouldn't have the position that a solution to the Cyprus Problem means the punishment of GCs and the reward of TCs - not accurate

If you don't want to be viewed as someone that cannot understand another point of view then perhaps you should consider the accuracy of your statements, right now a strawman of you does not exist.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis has yet to understand that even if he said he was ready to surrender the whole island no one would believe him.

[Piratis]

Acikgoz, when you say "not accurate" you should also explain why it is not accurate. Just saying "not accurate" without substantiating your claim means nothing.

1. You can not argue against what I say - not accurate

I have already showed why this is accurate in my earlier post.

You believe that GCs should "pay the price" for everything that happened in the past - not accurate

It is not me who believes this but Bir. That was the exact statement that he made. I hope he has now recognized that such demand is wrong and he retracts what he said.

TCs to be rewarded with more powers, privileges and land as a reward for their suffering - not accurate

Again, this is what Bir wants. Furthermore this is evident by the position of the Turkish side in the negotiations, what is not accurate about it?

Untrue statements 1-3 => you believe that your side is the one which is 100% right and you are in denial about the harm you have caused to us? - not accurate

If both sides are to be blamed then how come one side should be punished and the other rewarded? Doesn't such demand show that those who support such position believe that most, if not all, of the blame is on GCs and that their own side is mostly, if not totally, innocent?

If you had accepted even part of your own responsibility then you wouldn't have the position that a solution to the Cyprus Problem means the punishment of GCs and the reward of TCs - not accurate

See above.


I believe that what I say is very well substantiated. If I am not accurate in something I am more than willing to readjust and correct my position, but you first have to show me why something is inaccurate.

For example you could say "The reason we demand that you should "pay the price" while our side to be rewarded is not based on what is right and wrong, but based on the balance of power. We have more power and therefore we can use it to gain on your expense".
This would be a valid and well substantiated response to show that one of my statements above was inaccurate.

[Piratis]

Piratis has yet to understand that even if he said he was ready to surrender the whole island no one would believe him.

But if Bananiot made that statement you would have no doubt he means it

[Bananiot]

Leave me out of this piratis. Instead you should take a closer look at what is happening in Greece these days during the visit of Erdogan, and try to understand what the two countries are trying to do and the emphasis they put on cementing long-lasting ties of friendship, based on cooperation, mutual trust and good neighbourhood, despite the internal opposition in both countries, the army in Turkey and the nationalists in Greece.

[B25]

Leave me out of this piratis. Instead you should take a closer look at what is happening in Greece these days during the visit of Erdogan, and try to understand what the two countries are trying to do and the emphasis they put on cementing long-lasting ties of friendship, based on cooperation, mutual trust and good neighbourhood, despite the internal opposition in both countries, the army in Turkey and the nationalists in Greece.

Thats just because Turkey is not forcibly occupying 37% of Greece and she knows full well, that in case of a war Greece can give as good as she gets.

Turkey is not stupid, bullys only pick on the weaker, you should know that as a teacher, I am sure you see it daily.

Once a bully is stood upto, he generally ends up all mouth.

I bet if Greece was under occupation, she would not be 'in bed' with Turkey today.

Idiot. God help our children left in your care. I suppose you are well placed to spread you turkish propoganda to the young minds. I would like to be a fly on the wall when you are spreading it.

Do you invite them to your turkish coffee mornings as well I wonder???

[BirKibrisli]

Leave me out of this piratis. Instead you should take a closer look at what is happening in Greece these days during the visit of Erdogan, and try to understand what the two countries are trying to do and the emphasis they put on cementing long-lasting ties of friendship, based on cooperation, mutual trust and good neighbourhood, despite the internal opposition in both countries, the army in Turkey and the nationalists in Greece.

The fanatics are panicking,dear Bananiot,because if Turkey and Greece solve their problems and become friendly,cooperative neighbours,and God forbid sign a non-aggression pact,who is going to help our local, braindead fascists fight their war of "liberation"????

[Piratis]

Leave me out of this piratis. Instead you should take a closer look at what is happening in Greece these days during the visit of Erdogan, and try to understand what the two countries are trying to do and the emphasis they put on cementing long-lasting ties of friendship, based on cooperation, mutual trust and good neighbourhood, despite the internal opposition in both countries, the army in Turkey and the nationalists in Greece.

The fanatics are panicking,dear Bananiot,because if Turkey and Greece solve their problems and become friendly,cooperative neighbours,and God forbid sign a non-aggression pact,who is going to help our local, braindead fascists fight their war of "liberation"????

Since when it is fascism to want your freedom and the liberation of your own country from foreign invaders?

On the contrary the fascists are those who invade, ethnically cleanse and steal our lands and are now happy thinking that Greece will stop supporting Cyprus making it easier for them to occupy our lands and violate our human rights.

If Greece ever abandons us the traitors who help the Turks to isolate Cyprus by pushing Greece away will be responsible for this.

Greece is not a superpower and is not able to liberate Cyprus under the current balance of power, but it is our closest ally and the only country that we can count on. Those that say that we should push Greece away from Cyprus are just playing the game of the Turks, who want to isolate Cyprus as much as possible, reducing in this way our chances for liberation.

[YFred]

Leave me out of this piratis. Instead you should take a closer look at what is happening in Greece these days during the visit of Erdogan, and try to understand what the two countries are trying to do and the emphasis they put on cementing long-lasting ties of friendship, based on cooperation, mutual trust and good neighbourhood, despite the internal opposition in both countries, the army in Turkey and the nationalists in Greece.

The fanatics are panicking,dear Bananiot,because if Turkey and Greece solve their problems and become friendly,cooperative neighbours,and God forbid sign a non-aggression pact,who is going to help our local, braindead fascists fight their war of "liberation"????

They will have to use their ultimate weapons. It's normally attached between their legs. They will just have to wank their way to victory all by themselves. Ironically that is what a wanker is.

[BirKibrisli]

Leave me out of this piratis. Instead you should take a closer look at what is happening in Greece these days during the visit of Erdogan, and try to understand what the two countries are trying to do and the emphasis they put on cementing long-lasting ties of friendship, based on cooperation, mutual trust and good neighbourhood, despite the internal opposition in both countries, the army in Turkey and the nationalists in Greece.

The fanatics are panicking,dear Bananiot,because if Turkey and Greece solve their problems and become friendly,cooperative neighbours,and God forbid sign a non-aggression pact,who is going to help our local, braindead fascists fight their war of "liberation"????

They will have to use their ultimate weapons. It's normally attached between their legs. They will just have to wank their way to victory all by themselves. Ironically that is what a wanker is.