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[Pyrpolizer]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

I lived in the enclave. I can understand why TCs did not really care what happened in 74 while it was happening. They just wanted to reach safety. Do you ever ask if things were so calm from 67 to 74, why did people who were only a few miles from their land refused to go back?

Well bar 1 who doesn't care.
Next please

[Viewpoint]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

I lived in the enclave. I can understand why TCs did not really care what happened in 74 while it was happening. They just wanted to reach safety. Do you ever ask if things were so calm from 67 to 74, why did people who were only a few miles from their land refused to go back?

Well bar 1 who doesn't care.
Next please

Why dont you answer the question for a change?

[BirKibrisli]

And the constant talk by Makarios and other government officials that our struggle did not end in 1960 and that the national aspirations will be realised at all cost and no matter what the minority did, surely did not help the ordinary TC put its trust in the RoC which was seen by them as just a vehicle to bring enosis from the back door.

true....it was harmful talk.

In 1960 we could have turned the ordinary TC's into staunch supporters of the RoC, but instead, we answered TMT's provocations with a murder barrage on ordinary TC's. We are solely responsible for the alienation of the TC's who willingly sent themselves into enclaves and even refused to listen to the voice of wisdom represented by President Inonu.

interesting view. You paint a picture of the tc community Bananiot that is easily led, uneducated, cannot think for itself, can hold no responsibilities and cannot be held for responsible for anything.

They didn't negotiate with Makarios for the proposals, they didn't listen to Inonu when he told them to get back into govt....so its everyone but the TC's fault? Can I remind you Bananiot, this community that has fashioned itself into a "state" now and thinks it can run itself...has its own leaders, thinkers, extremists, liberals and plain idiots.

I consider it an insult to treat and talk about this community like it was some kind of spoilt infant that had no responsibilities and no reprecussions. Denktash and Kutchuk would have kept digging and digging...had it not been the 13 points another opportunity would have been found.

The alterior motives you write about DT, were fostered by the TC extremists and unforunately by the official government and President of our side who did not even pretend to hide their steadfast attachment to enosis.

after the republic any attachment to enosis or taksim is treason to the state as far as I'm concerned.

DT...I have give up on Piratis,but not on you as yet...

Yes,the TCs in the 50s and 60s were largely uneducated,easily led,and could hardly think for themselves...Bananiot is too polite to say so,but I can...Historically the TCs were farmers and peasants,with certain previledged amongst them playing the role of landlords,till under the British they slowly lost most of that as well...

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility,but they truly had no chance of turning around the tide which started with the demand for Enosis...You are forgetting one critial factor...I understand it is not easy for you to accept this,but it is the truth...There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,villages were being attacked...I lived through those times...My Uncle was working at Barclays Bank in the Greek Sector at the time...He went to work as usual during the disturbances till one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home and not to come back again till further notice...His life was in danger...And that further notice never came...I am not making this up...You can believe it or not...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever...

What is a uneducated easily led with no ability to think for himself TC doing working in barlays bank

There were exceptions to the rule,Charlie...My other Uncle was a dentist...
And my father was a teacher...This does not change the fact that most TCs were farmers and uneducated country folk....To give you an idea,there were no more than a couple of TC doctors in the whole Paphos district...Go figure...

[Get Real!]

My other Uncle was a dentist... And my father was a teacher...

So how did you turn out to be a bum?

Sorry mate, but I’m the night shift…

[BirKibrisli]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

I lived in the enclave. I can understand why TCs did not really care what happened in 74 while it was happening. They just wanted to reach safety. Do you ever ask if things were so calm from 67 to 74, why did people who were only a few miles from their land refused to go back?

Well bar 1 who doesn't care.
Next please

Pyro,I think you misread what YFred said..He said he didn't care while it was happening...I don't think you can blame the TCs for welcoming the Turkish soldiers at the time...Their long period of fear and danger was finally coming to an end...Now looking back I doubt there will be too many TCs who will not appreciate the devastating effect of 74 on the innocent GC population...As you and I keep saying Pyro,the keys are empathy and compassion...Without those we are totally lost...And you can't feel empathy and compassion if you think your side was 100% right,and what happened to you was a terrible miscarriage of Justice..Hence,my efforts now to make the GCs here realise their side was not whiter than white...You don't need convincing but most of the others seem they do...

[BirKibrisli]

My other Uncle was a dentist... And my father was a teacher...

So how did you turn out to be a bum?

Sorry mate, but I’m the night shift…

Who told you I was a bum????
Wait till I get my hands on them...

[Piratis]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

I lived in the enclave. I can understand why TCs did not really care what happened in 74 while it was happening. They just wanted to reach safety. Do you ever ask if things were so calm from 67 to 74, why did people who were only a few miles from their land refused to go back?

Well bar 1 who doesn't care.
Next please

Pyro,I think you misread what YFred said..He said he didn't care while it was happening...I don't think you can blame the TCs for welcoming the Turkish soldiers at the time...Their long period of fear and danger was finally coming to an end...Now looking back I doubt there will be too many TCs who will not appreciate the devastating effect of 74 on the innocent GC population...As you and I keep saying Pyro,the keys are empathy and compassion...Without those we are totally lost...And you can't feel empathy and compassion if you think your side was 100% right,and what happened to you was a terrible miscarriage of Justice..Hence,my efforts now to make the GCs here realise their side was not whiter than white...You don't need convincing but most of the others seem they do...

Can you tell me which GCs in this forum think that our side is "whiter than white" and do not recognize the suffering of TCs during the inter-communal conflict?

Your efforts here is not what you claim in the above post. Your effort is to put most of the blame for what happened in the past on GCs, so you can then excuse your demands that GCs should now "pay the price" while the TCs should gain on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

This is why you refuse to acknowledge the fact that it is the TCs who started the inter-communal conflict and it is the TCs who committed the first massacre and the ones who first burned down homes and shops of innocent GCs in 1958. It is also the TCs who first demanded the gross violation of the human rights of GCs, by demanding partition, something that entailed the annihilation of GCs from half of their island, a plan you put in action in 1974 using the coup as a pretext even though no TC was harmed during the coup.

[B25]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

I lived in the enclave. I can understand why TCs did not really care what happened in 74 while it was happening. They just wanted to reach safety. Do you ever ask if things were so calm from 67 to 74, why did people who were only a few miles from their land refused to go back?

Well bar 1 who doesn't care.
Next please

Pyro,I think you misread what YFred said..He said he didn't care while it was happening...I don't think you can blame the TCs for welcoming the Turkish soldiers at the time...Their long period of fear and danger was finally coming to an end...Now looking back I doubt there will be too many TCs who will not appreciate the devastating effect of 74 on the innocent GC population...As you and I keep saying Pyro,the keys are empathy and compassion...Without those we are totally lost...And you can't feel empathy and compassion if you think your side was 100% right,and what happened to you was a terrible miscarriage of Justice..Hence,my efforts now to make the GCs here realise their side was not whiter than white...You don't need convincing but most of the others seem they do...

Can you tell me which GCs in this forum think that our side is "whiter than white" and do not recognize the suffering of TCs during the inter-communal conflict?

Your efforts here is not what you claim in the above post. Your effort is to put most of the blame for what happened in the past on GCs, so you can then excuse your demands that GCs should now "pay the price" while the TCs should gain on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

This is why you refuse to acknowledge the fact that it is the TCs who started the inter-communal conflict and it is the TCs who committed the first massacre and the ones who first burned down homes and shops of innocent GCs in 1958. It is also the TCs who first demanded the gross violation of the human rights of GCs, by demanding partition, something that entailed the annihilation of GCs from half of their island, a plan you put in action in 1974 using the coup as a pretext even though no TC was harmed during the coup.

I hear another 6 there Bir

Answer his question, gives us the names of who you think......

[Bananiot]

Birkibrisli, you keep talking about empathy and compassion. You have done this since day one you started writing here. Yet, few people understand what you are saying. The rest have their ears hermetically shut to your calls. I believe this is because they can not get themselves to appreciate that there are Turkish Cypriots who are human after all. They want Turks to be monsters so that they can fuel their misanthropist hatred to anything Turkish. Anything else will disturb their stereotype view which has been ingrained into their genes and of course will turn their world upside down. So please, show some compassion for these baggers too for they cannot help it.

I think the best representative of these people is Piratis himself, who declined to meet Erol, some time ago, because as he said, after meeting him, he might get to like him and this would make it difficult for him to shoot him, if it came to war!

Yet, you might just as well forget my first paragraph in which I tried to psychoanalyse the diehards. May be, the phenomenon is not as complicated as we make it to be. It could be down to plain stupidity.

[Piratis]

Birkibrisli, you keep talking about empathy and compassion. You have done this since day one you started writing here. Yet, few people understand what you are saying. The rest have their ears hermetically shut to your calls. I believe this is because they can not get themselves to appreciate that there are Turkish Cypriots who are human after all. They want Turks to be monsters so that they can fuel their misanthropist hatred to anything Turkish. Anything else will disturb their stereotype view which has been ingrained into their genes and of course will turn their world upside down. So please, show some compassion for these baggers too for they cannot help it.

I think the best representative of these people is Piratis himself, who declined to meet Erol, some time ago, because as he said, after meeting him, he might get to like him and this would make it difficult for him to shoot him, if it came to war!

Yet, you might just as well forget my first paragraph in which I tried to psychoanalyse the diehards. May be, the phenomenon is not as complicated as we make it to be. It could be down to plain stupidity.

We know that there are decent Turkish Cypriots, Kikapu is one such example. Furthermore, unlike your racist friends, we do not support any collective punishment against all TCs for the things their community has done in the past. I never asked from TCs to "pay the price" like Bir demanded for us.

Beyond that, we are in war with Turkey because Turkey is occupying 1/3rd of our country. The TCs in the north are enlisted as soldiers in the army of the occupier, and we serve as reservists in the army of Cyprus. So if the battles resume then obviously we will have to shoot each other. What are you going to do in such war? Be on the side of Turkey or be neutral in a war between your own country and foreign invader?