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[BirKibrisli]

And the constant talk by Makarios and other government officials that our struggle did not end in 1960 and that the national aspirations will be realised at all cost and no matter what the minority did, surely did not help the ordinary TC put its trust in the RoC which was seen by them as just a vehicle to bring enosis from the back door.

true....it was harmful talk.

In 1960 we could have turned the ordinary TC's into staunch supporters of the RoC, but instead, we answered TMT's provocations with a murder barrage on ordinary TC's. We are solely responsible for the alienation of the TC's who willingly sent themselves into enclaves and even refused to listen to the voice of wisdom represented by President Inonu.

interesting view. You paint a picture of the tc community Bananiot that is easily led, uneducated, cannot think for itself, can hold no responsibilities and cannot be held for responsible for anything.

They didn't negotiate with Makarios for the proposals, they didn't listen to Inonu when he told them to get back into govt....so its everyone but the TC's fault? Can I remind you Bananiot, this community that has fashioned itself into a "state" now and thinks it can run itself...has its own leaders, thinkers, extremists, liberals and plain idiots.

I consider it an insult to treat and talk about this community like it was some kind of spoilt infant that had no responsibilities and no reprecussions. Denktash and Kutchuk would have kept digging and digging...had it not been the 13 points another opportunity would have been found.

The alterior motives you write about DT, were fostered by the TC extremists and unforunately by the official government and President of our side who did not even pretend to hide their steadfast attachment to enosis.

after the republic any attachment to enosis or taksim is treason to the state as far as I'm concerned.

DT...I have give up on Piratis,but not on you as yet...

Yes,the TCs in the 50s and 60s were largely uneducated,easily led,and could hardly think for themselves...Bananiot is too polite to say so,but I can...Historically the TCs were farmers and peasants,with certain previledged amongst them playing the role of landlords,till under the British they slowly lost most of that as well...

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility,but they truly had no chance of turning around the tide which started with the demand for Enosis...You are forgetting one critial factor...I understand it is not easy for you to accept this,but it is the truth...There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,villages were being attacked...I lived through those times...My Uncle was working at Barclays Bank in the Greek Sector at the time...He went to work as usual during the disturbances till one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home and not to come back again till further notice...His life was in danger...And that further notice never came...I am not making this up...You can believe it or not...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever...

[B25]

DT...I have give up on Piratis,...

Like hell you have, you can't handle Piratis, you can't handle the historical truth that he keeps throwing your way. You can't handle the fact that everytime you spew some lies Piratis is there to correct you and show you up for what you really are, you can't handle him, he is a much bigger man then you'll ever be. We need more people like Piratis who can put you on the straight and narrow and deflect your lies and propoganda.

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility

Up until now, you have been telling us we should be the ones to apologise to the TCs and how innocent you lot have been in all this mess, whats up now??? You share the biggest portion of the responsibility, the facts are all there for all to see, hence your non recognition in all aspects of government (pseudo at that), hence the rulings against you, hence your embargoes. Do you think these were just plucked from the air and forced upon you?? No you earned them with the responsibilities you are accountable for in the Cyprus problem.

There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads..........

Yet more of the same, blah blah blah excuses galore.

one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home

Yes just you remember that it was a GC that saved him, not all GCs are evil as you try to portray. You continue to demonise us all for the sake of a few and then you have the cheek to cry victim.

...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...

Yes, you have no idea how the 12 years old girls who were getting raped by your lot felt, you have no idea how the families of the 1676 missing are still feeling to this day and you have no fucking idea how the familes of the, murdered in cold blood, civilians are feeling, don't you fucking dare talk to me about not knowing how you felt.

I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever

So where is your credible evidence of this, links or whatever. This is libel in my books and you should be subject to prosecution. You are the shit spreader here with your constant lies and propoganda. Cyprus was and still is a peace loving country until you set you filthy feet on it. Piratis is doing a sterling job and neither you nor your cronies can touch him. Just waych, Mr..... will just come out with the C words, Yfred with the shillo poutana words and you with your own filthy barrage of abuse, because in the end, thats all you got.

I am with Piratis, and a whole lot more of the GCs here should also be.

We will not bow to you blackmail, racists discriminations and bully boy tactics.

have a nice day

[BirKibrisli]

DT...I have give up on Piratis,...

Like hell you have, you can't handle Piratis, you can't handle the historical truth that he keeps throwing your way. You can't handle the fact that everytime you spew some lies Piratis is there to correct you and show you up for what you really are, you can't handle him, he is a much bigger man then you'll ever be. We need more people like Piratis who can put you on the straight and narrow and deflect your lies and propoganda.

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility

Up until now, you have been telling us we should be the ones to apologise to the TCs and how innocent you lot have been in all this mess, whats up now??? You share the biggest portion of the responsibility, the facts are all there for all to see, hence your non recognition in all aspects of government (pseudo at that), hence the rulings against you, hence your embargoes. Do you think these were just plucked from the air and forced upon you?? No you earned them with the responsibilities you are accountable for in the Cyprus problem.

There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads..........

Yet more of the same, blah blah blah excuses galore.

one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home

Yes just you remember that it was a GC that saved him, not all GCs are evil as you try to portray. You continue to demonise us all for the sake of a few and then you have the cheek to cry victim.

...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...

Yes, you have no idea how the 12 years old girls who were getting raped by your lot felt, you have no idea how the families of the 1676 missing are still feeling to this day and you have no fucking idea how the familes of the, murdered in cold blood, civilians are feeling, don't you fucking dare talk to me about not knowing how you felt.

I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever

So where is your credible evidence of this, links or whatever. This is libel in my books and you should be subject to prosecution. You are the shit spreader here with your constant lies and propoganda. Cyprus was and still is a peace loving country until you set you filthy feet on it. Piratis is doing a sterling job and neither you nor your cronies can touch him. Just waych, Mr..... will just come out with the C words, Yfred with the shillo poutana words and you with your own filthy barrage of abuse, because in the end, thats all you got.

I am with Piratis, and a whole lot more of the GCs here should also be.

We will not bow to you blackmail, racists discriminations and bully boy tactics.

have a nice day

Thank you...I have given up on you too...

[B25]

DT...I have give up on Piratis,...

Like hell you have, you can't handle Piratis, you can't handle the historical truth that he keeps throwing your way. You can't handle the fact that everytime you spew some lies Piratis is there to correct you and show you up for what you really are, you can't handle him, he is a much bigger man then you'll ever be. We need more people like Piratis who can put you on the straight and narrow and deflect your lies and propoganda.

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility

Up until now, you have been telling us we should be the ones to apologise to the TCs and how innocent you lot have been in all this mess, whats up now??? You share the biggest portion of the responsibility, the facts are all there for all to see, hence your non recognition in all aspects of government (pseudo at that), hence the rulings against you, hence your embargoes. Do you think these were just plucked from the air and forced upon you?? No you earned them with the responsibilities you are accountable for in the Cyprus problem.

There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads..........

Yet more of the same, blah blah blah excuses galore.

one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home

Yes just you remember that it was a GC that saved him, not all GCs are evil as you try to portray. You continue to demonise us all for the sake of a few and then you have the cheek to cry victim.

...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...

Yes, you have no idea how the 12 years old girls who were getting raped by your lot felt, you have no idea how the families of the 1676 missing are still feeling to this day and you have no fucking idea how the familes of the, murdered in cold blood, civilians are feeling, don't you fucking dare talk to me about not knowing how you felt.

I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever

So where is your credible evidence of this, links or whatever. This is libel in my books and you should be subject to prosecution. You are the shit spreader here with your constant lies and propoganda. Cyprus was and still is a peace loving country until you set you filthy feet on it. Piratis is doing a sterling job and neither you nor your cronies can touch him. Just waych, Mr..... will just come out with the C words, Yfred with the shillo poutana words and you with your own filthy barrage of abuse, because in the end, thats all you got.

I am with Piratis, and a whole lot more of the GCs here should also be.

We will not bow to you blackmail, racists discriminations and bully boy tactics.

have a nice day

Thank you...I have given up on you too...

Unfortunately your pill was too large for me to swallow.

[Viewpoint]

B25 we see Piratis just like you see Bir you cannot even tollerate any viewpoint which does not agree with yours time you grasped the fact that its people like you who will guarantee there is no solution.

[Piratis]

And the constant talk by Makarios and other government officials that our struggle did not end in 1960 and that the national aspirations will be realised at all cost and no matter what the minority did, surely did not help the ordinary TC put its trust in the RoC which was seen by them as just a vehicle to bring enosis from the back door.

true....it was harmful talk.

In 1960 we could have turned the ordinary TC's into staunch supporters of the RoC, but instead, we answered TMT's provocations with a murder barrage on ordinary TC's. We are solely responsible for the alienation of the TC's who willingly sent themselves into enclaves and even refused to listen to the voice of wisdom represented by President Inonu.

interesting view. You paint a picture of the tc community Bananiot that is easily led, uneducated, cannot think for itself, can hold no responsibilities and cannot be held for responsible for anything.

They didn't negotiate with Makarios for the proposals, they didn't listen to Inonu when he told them to get back into govt....so its everyone but the TC's fault? Can I remind you Bananiot, this community that has fashioned itself into a "state" now and thinks it can run itself...has its own leaders, thinkers, extremists, liberals and plain idiots.

I consider it an insult to treat and talk about this community like it was some kind of spoilt infant that had no responsibilities and no reprecussions. Denktash and Kutchuk would have kept digging and digging...had it not been the 13 points another opportunity would have been found.

The alterior motives you write about DT, were fostered by the TC extremists and unforunately by the official government and President of our side who did not even pretend to hide their steadfast attachment to enosis.

after the republic any attachment to enosis or taksim is treason to the state as far as I'm concerned.

DT...I have give up on Piratis,but not on you as yet...

Yes,the TCs in the 50s and 60s were largely uneducated,easily led,and could hardly think for themselves...Bananiot is too polite to say so,but I can...Historically the TCs were farmers and peasants,with certain previledged amongst them playing the role of landlords,till under the British they slowly lost most of that as well...

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility,but they truly had no chance of turning around the tide which started with the demand for Enosis...You are forgetting one critial factor...I understand it is not easy for you to accept this,but it is the truth...There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,villages were being attacked...I lived through those times...My Uncle was working at Barclays Bank in the Greek Sector at the time...He went to work as usual during the disturbances till one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home and not to come back again till further notice...His life was in danger...And that further notice never came...I am not making this up...You can believe it or not...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever...

And while most TCs were naive villagers and they can be excused on the grounds of stupidity, the GCs were all educated "evil" scientists planing the destruction of the TC

As always you follow the same tactics of Turkish propaganda:

Step 1: start from a point in history that suits you
Step 2: exaggerate your own suffering as much as possible
Step 3: ignore any suffering you caused to GCs
Step 4: Come to erroneous conclusions based on false and incomplete premises.

On average, your casualties for every year of the conflict were less than the fatalities in road accidents we have every year in Cyprus today. But you exaggerate to make it sound as if Cyprus was something like Iraq. Compare that with the 1000s GCs that died within weeks during the Turkish invasion.

During that conflict GCs had many casulties as well ... you always seem to forget this. TCs even evicted the Armenians from their sector in Nicosia!

Another thing you always forget is that it is the TCs who commited the first massacre and burned the first homes and shops of innocent people back in 1958. Was it fine when you were doing it and it only became wrong when you had a taste of your own tactics?

Neither I and neither DT ever disputed that you suffered during the conflict. The problem with you is that you are unwilling to see the whole story and accept the responsibility that goes to your side. If you are going to excuse TCs on the ground that they were poor, uneducated and easily led, then you should do the same for GCs. But I wonder: Do TCs continue to be uneducated peasants today? Because their demands and their attitude has not changed one bit since then.

[charlie brown]

[quote="BirKibrisli"][quote="DT."][quote="Bananiot"]And the constant [size=24]talk[/size] by Makarios and other government officials that our struggle did not end in 1960 and that the national aspirations will be realised at all cost and no matter what the minority did, surely did not help the ordinary TC put its trust in the RoC which was seen by them as just a vehicle to bring enosis from the back door.[/quote]

true....it was harmful talk.
[quote]
In 1960 we could have turned the ordinary TC's into staunch supporters of the RoC, but instead, we answered TMT's provocations with a murder barrage on ordinary TC's. [color=red]We are solely responsible for the alienation of the TC's who willingly sent themselves into enclaves and even refused to listen to the voice of wisdom represented by President Inonu.[/color][/quote]

interesting view. You paint a picture of the tc community Bananiot that is easily led, uneducated, cannot think for itself, can hold no responsibilities and cannot be held for responsible for anything.

They didn't negotiate with Makarios for the proposals, they didn't listen to Inonu when he told them to get back into govt....so its everyone but the TC's fault? Can I remind you Bananiot, this community that has fashioned itself into a "state" now and thinks it can run itself...has its own leaders, thinkers, extremists, liberals and plain idiots.

I consider it an insult to treat and talk about this community like it was some kind of spoilt infant that had no responsibilities and no reprecussions. Denktash and Kutchuk would have kept digging and digging...had it not been the 13 points another opportunity would have been found.

[quote]The alterior motives you write about DT, were fostered by the TC extremists and unforunately by the official government and President of our side who did not even pretend to hide their steadfast attachment to enosis.[/quote]

after the republic any attachment to enosis or taksim is treason to the state as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]


DT...I have give up on Piratis,but not on you as yet...

Yes,the TCs in the 50s and 60s were largely uneducated,easily led,and could hardly think for themselves...Bananiot is too polite to say so,but I can...Historically the TCs were farmers and peasants,with certain previledged amongst them playing the role of landlords,till under the British they slowly lost most of that as well...

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility,but they truly had no chance of turning around the tide which started with the demand for Enosis...You are forgetting one critial factor...I understand it is not easy for you to accept this,but it is the truth...There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,villages were being attacked...I lived through those times...My Uncle was working at Barclays Bank in the Greek Sector at the time...He went to work as usual during the disturbances till one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home and not to come back again till further notice...His life was in danger...And that further notice never came...I am not making this up...You can believe it or not...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever...[/quote]What is a uneducated easily led with no ability to think for himself TC doing working in barlays bank

[YFred]

And the constant talk by Makarios and other government officials that our struggle did not end in 1960 and that the national aspirations will be realised at all cost and no matter what the minority did, surely did not help the ordinary TC put its trust in the RoC which was seen by them as just a vehicle to bring enosis from the back door.

true....it was harmful talk.

In 1960 we could have turned the ordinary TC's into staunch supporters of the RoC, but instead, we answered TMT's provocations with a murder barrage on ordinary TC's. We are solely responsible for the alienation of the TC's who willingly sent themselves into enclaves and even refused to listen to the voice of wisdom represented by President Inonu.

interesting view. You paint a picture of the tc community Bananiot that is easily led, uneducated, cannot think for itself, can hold no responsibilities and cannot be held for responsible for anything.

They didn't negotiate with Makarios for the proposals, they didn't listen to Inonu when he told them to get back into govt....so its everyone but the TC's fault? Can I remind you Bananiot, this community that has fashioned itself into a "state" now and thinks it can run itself...has its own leaders, thinkers, extremists, liberals and plain idiots.

I consider it an insult to treat and talk about this community like it was some kind of spoilt infant that had no responsibilities and no reprecussions. Denktash and Kutchuk would have kept digging and digging...had it not been the 13 points another opportunity would have been found.

The alterior motives you write about DT, were fostered by the TC extremists and unforunately by the official government and President of our side who did not even pretend to hide their steadfast attachment to enosis.

after the republic any attachment to enosis or taksim is treason to the state as far as I'm concerned.

DT...I have give up on Piratis,but not on you as yet...

Yes,the TCs in the 50s and 60s were largely uneducated,easily led,and could hardly think for themselves...Bananiot is too polite to say so,but I can...Historically the TCs were farmers and peasants,with certain previledged amongst them playing the role of landlords,till under the British they slowly lost most of that as well...

This does not mean they do not share some of the responsibility,but they truly had no chance of turning around the tide which started with the demand for Enosis...You are forgetting one critial factor...I understand it is not easy for you to accept this,but it is the truth...There was one very good reason why the TCs could not return to the government :THEIR PHYSICAL SAFETY COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED...People were taken from hospital beds and killed...Busloads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,villages were being attacked...I lived through those times...My Uncle was working at Barclays Bank in the Greek Sector at the time...He went to work as usual during the disturbances till one day his boss,a GC hurried him away,accompanied him to his car and told him to go home and not to come back again till further notice...His life was in danger...And that further notice never came...I am not making this up...You can believe it or not...You guys have no idea what it was really like,but you will not listen to those of us who lived through it...I know Piratis would never accept what i am saying. He cannot,as he is a paid official GC government spin doctor come provocateur...But you have no excuse...Non what so ever...

What is a uneducated easily led with no ability to think for himself TC doing working in barlays bank

CB this is one hell of mess. What's goin on?
now it makes sense.

[Pyrpolizer]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

[YFred]

For the GCs to really appreciate the TC suffering: It was living in danger and fear for a long period of time
For the TCs to really appreciate the GC suffering:It was a 2 month strike with multiple times more destructive effects.

I lived in the enclave. I can understand why TCs did not really care what happened in 74 while it was happening. They just wanted to reach safety. Do you ever ask if things were so calm from 67 to 74, why did people who were only a few miles from their land refused to go back?