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[DT.]

That private property ownership does not mean country ownership the % does not necessarily equal the other as many GCs claim that we are only entitiled to land proportional to our population % .

So millitary invasions can eliminate other country's sovereignty rights then.

You cannot talk about sovereignty rights in a country where one community has been robbed of their constitutional rights at gunpoint...Time you faced this fact,DT...The GCs were the original violaters of the sovereignty of Cyprus,when they treacherously plotted to achieve Enosis with Greece...Accept it,take it like a man,stop denying what is the historical truth of the matter,and we might get somewhere...
If you don't believe me,ask your mate GR!

You don't switch a country's soveregnty on and off like a game of koumeres Bir. Makarios proposed 13 amendments. Turkey pleaded with the TC's to return to govt to discuss. TC ministersd left behind documents with instructions from Kutchuk and Denktash regarding the sabotage of the Republic in favour of Taksim.

Makarios proposed these amendments when the tc's paralysed the govt and drove it to bankruptcy by refusing to vote for the budget.

With Denktash leading you since, how do you keep a striaght face when you throw the blame on the GC's?

My side where by no means angels Bir but get your head around the alterior motives your side had since the inception of this republic and we might actually get somewhere.

Any chance these documents are provided or links there to? This point has been mentioned in the last few years on the CF but as far as I know no one has provided 'credible' links or proof. I am not saying they are lies - I like credibility - like everybody else.

Thank you

was posted a couple of months ago...i'll dig it up and re-post.

[Bananiot]

This says it all DT

After the republic any attachment to enosis or taksim is treason to the state as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with you 100%. It is treason to all Cypriot people if I may add too. Now, go and do your homework and perhaps you will sadly find out that for our side the reverse was the order of the day. Any attachment to the sovereign state was treason because the people who took an oath for enosis and only enosis were merely using the RoC as a stepping stone to achieve their life long aim.

Inonu should also be remembered for his wise advice he gave to makarios when in 1962 he went on a state visit to Ankara. Your Beautitude, he pleaded, please reconsider the submission of the proposals. You will open the sack of aeolus if you go ahead with this. Makarios did not badge an inch. He came back and soon afterwards he submitted the proposals. However, and this is the folly of people like DT who claim that they were just proposals, he did not give them to the most important member of the equation, Turkey who under the treaty of agreement were the guarantors of the Constitution, along with Greece and the UK. This shows that they were to be imposed, not to be discussed.

[denizaksulu]

That private property ownership does not mean country ownership the % does not necessarily equal the other as many GCs claim that we are only entitiled to land proportional to our population % .

So millitary invasions can eliminate other country's sovereignty rights then.

You cannot talk about sovereignty rights in a country where one community has been robbed of their constitutional rights at gunpoint...Time you faced this fact,DT...The GCs were the original violaters of the sovereignty of Cyprus,when they treacherously plotted to achieve Enosis with Greece...Accept it,take it like a man,stop denying what is the historical truth of the matter,and we might get somewhere...
If you don't believe me,ask your mate GR!

You don't switch a country's soveregnty on and off like a game of koumeres Bir. Makarios proposed 13 amendments. Turkey pleaded with the TC's to return to govt to discuss. TC ministersd left behind documents with instructions from Kutchuk and Denktash regarding the sabotage of the Republic in favour of Taksim.

Makarios proposed these amendments when the tc's paralysed the govt and drove it to bankruptcy by refusing to vote for the budget.

With Denktash leading you since, how do you keep a striaght face when you throw the blame on the GC's?

My side where by no means angels Bir but get your head around the alterior motives your side had since the inception of this republic and we might actually get somewhere.

Any chance these documents are provided or links there to? This point has been mentioned in the last few years on the CF but as far as I know no one has provided 'credible' links or proof. I am not saying they are lies - I like credibility - like everybody else.

Thank you

was posted a couple of months ago...i'll dig it up and re-post.

Thanks. I know you will.

[Piratis]

So, according to Bananiot, we should just sit there like good slaves and accept discriminations on our expense just so we will not be punished by some foreign Imperialists.

The 1960 constitution was not a result of the free will of the Cypriot people, it was created by foreigners and imposed on us. What was imposed was not a real independence for Cyprus, and the presence of so called "guarantors", foreign troops and foreign bases proves this beyond any doubt. And according to Bananiot we were not free to even propose changes to our own constitution without the approval of some foreigners. That is how much "independence" we had.

The majority of the Cypriot people belong to the Greek nation and Cyprus was a Greek island like every other. We are not the only Greek territory that was ruled by Ottomans, and we were not the only Greek territory were a muslim minority was formed during Ottoman rule.

If we were to create a separate nation this should have been (1) a result of our own free will, (2) we should have been allowed to write our own constitution and (3) there should have been no "guarantors", foreign troops and foreign bases. If we had the chance for such real independence, and the majority of the population choose it, then yes, doing anything against this independence would be treason.

[Bananiot]

Wake up to the realities of these world Piratis. The Constitution was not imposed on us by the foreigners. It was imposed on us by us as a result of our stupid, unpolitical, options in the 50's. We were very lucky to be given that Constitution under the circumstances. Even Papadopoulos realised this late in his life when he said in 2005, talking at Intercollege, "the London - Zurich agreements were a blessing in desguised".

You fail constantly to grasp the complexity of this world and you suggest simple answers to complex issues. You really have zero to offer to this country.

[Piratis]

Wake up to the realities of these world Piratis. The Constitution was not imposed on us by the foreigners. It was imposed on us by us as a result of our stupid, unpolitical, options in the 50's. We were very lucky to be given that Constitution under the circumstances. Even Papadopoulos realised this late in his life when he said in 2005, talking at Intercollege, "the London - Zurich agreements were a blessing in desguised".

You fail constantly to grasp the complexity of this world and you suggest simple answers to complex issues. You really have zero to offer to this country.

Why don't you tell me the better option we had in the 50s?

The 1960 constitution was imposed on us. We didn't write it, some others did and they imposed it on us.

I know the realities of this world better than you do. What is different between me and you is that you have a slave mentality while I do not.

I remember long time ago I watched a movie about racism in the US several decades ago. The dialog between an older black man (with a slave mentality) and a young one went something like this:

Old black man: Why are you doing all these? (demonstrations etc) What do you think you are going to gain? You are just going to get yourself killed. This is how our world is. This is how it has always been. You can't change it.

Young black man: I'd rather die free than live the life of a slave. I don't know if this world can change but I know it will never change if we keep putting our head down.

[MR-from-NG]

Wake up to the realities of these world Piratis. The Constitution was not imposed on us by the foreigners. It was imposed on us by us as a result of our stupid, unpolitical, options in the 50's. We were very lucky to be given that Constitution under the circumstances. Even Papadopoulos realised this late in his life when he said in 2005, talking at Intercollege, "the London - Zurich agreements were a blessing in desguised".

You fail constantly to grasp the complexity of this world and you suggest simple answers to complex issues. You really have zero to offer to this country.

Why don't you tell me the better option we had in the 50s?

The 1960 constitution was imposed on us. We didn't write it, some others did and they imposed it on us.

I know the realities of this world better than you do. What is different between me and you is that you have a slave mentality while I do not.

I remember long time ago I watched a movie about racism in the US several decades ago. The dialog between an older black man (with a slave mentality) and a young one went something like this:

Old black man: Why are you doing all these? (demonstrations etc) What do you think you are going to gain? You are just going to get yourself killed. This is how our world is. This is how it has always been. You can't change it.

Young black man: I'd rather die free than live the life of a slave. I don't know if this world can change but I know it will never change if we keep putting our head down.

For as long as I've known myself I've considered the TC's as the slaves, the underdogs and underprivileged of Cyprus. How the hell does your story relate to the GC's?

You had us in enclaves, you had full control of the economy. We were to you what the blacks were to the whites in the days of slavery.

Ans then you go and do the unthinkable and screw yourselves and screw us in the process too. All your bloody fault if you ask me.

[Piratis]

Wake up to the realities of these world Piratis. The Constitution was not imposed on us by the foreigners. It was imposed on us by us as a result of our stupid, unpolitical, options in the 50's. We were very lucky to be given that Constitution under the circumstances. Even Papadopoulos realised this late in his life when he said in 2005, talking at Intercollege, "the London - Zurich agreements were a blessing in desguised".

You fail constantly to grasp the complexity of this world and you suggest simple answers to complex issues. You really have zero to offer to this country.

Why don't you tell me the better option we had in the 50s?

The 1960 constitution was imposed on us. We didn't write it, some others did and they imposed it on us.

I know the realities of this world better than you do. What is different between me and you is that you have a slave mentality while I do not.

I remember long time ago I watched a movie about racism in the US several decades ago. The dialog between an older black man (with a slave mentality) and a young one went something like this:

Old black man: Why are you doing all these? (demonstrations etc) What do you think you are going to gain? You are just going to get yourself killed. This is how our world is. This is how it has always been. You can't change it.

Young black man: I'd rather die free than live the life of a slave. I don't know if this world can change but I know it will never change if we keep putting our head down.

For as long as I've known myself I've considered the TC's as the slaves, the underdogs and underprivileged of Cyprus. How the hell does your story relate to the GC's?

You had us in enclaves, you had full control of the economy. We were to you what the blacks were to the whites in the days of slavery.

Ans then you go and do the unthinkable and screw yourselves and screw us in the process too. All your bloody fault if you ask me.

The Turks came to our island to enslave us, we didn't import you here as slaves, like they did with the Africans in Europe and America.

If instead of starting conflicts and collaborating with foreign Imperialists you had shown some respect to the majority of the population of this island then everything would be better for all of us.

[MR-from-NG]

Wake up to the realities of these world Piratis. The Constitution was not imposed on us by the foreigners. It was imposed on us by us as a result of our stupid, unpolitical, options in the 50's. We were very lucky to be given that Constitution under the circumstances. Even Papadopoulos realised this late in his life when he said in 2005, talking at Intercollege, "the London - Zurich agreements were a blessing in desguised".

You fail constantly to grasp the complexity of this world and you suggest simple answers to complex issues. You really have zero to offer to this country.

Why don't you tell me the better option we had in the 50s?

The 1960 constitution was imposed on us. We didn't write it, some others did and they imposed it on us.

I know the realities of this world better than you do. What is different between me and you is that you have a slave mentality while I do not.

I remember long time ago I watched a movie about racism in the US several decades ago. The dialog between an older black man (with a slave mentality) and a young one went something like this:

Old black man: Why are you doing all these? (demonstrations etc) What do you think you are going to gain? You are just going to get yourself killed. This is how our world is. This is how it has always been. You can't change it.

Young black man: I'd rather die free than live the life of a slave. I don't know if this world can change but I know it will never change if we keep putting our head down.

For as long as I've known myself I've considered the TC's as the slaves, the underdogs and underprivileged of Cyprus. How the hell does your story relate to the GC's?

You had us in enclaves, you had full control of the economy. We were to you what the blacks were to the whites in the days of slavery.

Ans then you go and do the unthinkable and screw yourselves and screw us in the process too. All your bloody fault if you ask me.

The Turks came to our island to enslave us, we didn't import you here as slaves, like they did with the Africans in Europe and America.

If instead of starting conflicts and collaborating with foreign Imperialists you had shown some respect to the majority of the population of this island then everything would be better for all of us.

Piratis, stop going back to 1571. Stick to 1960 onwards. In 1571 it would have been normal. You had us as your slaves in the 60s, we have more reason to complain than you do.

[Piratis]

Wake up to the realities of these world Piratis. The Constitution was not imposed on us by the foreigners. It was imposed on us by us as a result of our stupid, unpolitical, options in the 50's. We were very lucky to be given that Constitution under the circumstances. Even Papadopoulos realised this late in his life when he said in 2005, talking at Intercollege, "the London - Zurich agreements were a blessing in desguised".

You fail constantly to grasp the complexity of this world and you suggest simple answers to complex issues. You really have zero to offer to this country.

Why don't you tell me the better option we had in the 50s?

The 1960 constitution was imposed on us. We didn't write it, some others did and they imposed it on us.

I know the realities of this world better than you do. What is different between me and you is that you have a slave mentality while I do not.

I remember long time ago I watched a movie about racism in the US several decades ago. The dialog between an older black man (with a slave mentality) and a young one went something like this:

Old black man: Why are you doing all these? (demonstrations etc) What do you think you are going to gain? You are just going to get yourself killed. This is how our world is. This is how it has always been. You can't change it.

Young black man: I'd rather die free than live the life of a slave. I don't know if this world can change but I know it will never change if we keep putting our head down.

For as long as I've known myself I've considered the TC's as the slaves, the underdogs and underprivileged of Cyprus. How the hell does your story relate to the GC's?

You had us in enclaves, you had full control of the economy. We were to you what the blacks were to the whites in the days of slavery.

Ans then you go and do the unthinkable and screw yourselves and screw us in the process too. All your bloody fault if you ask me.

The Turks came to our island to enslave us, we didn't import you here as slaves, like they did with the Africans in Europe and America.

If instead of starting conflicts and collaborating with foreign Imperialists you had shown some respect to the majority of the population of this island then everything would be better for all of us.

Piratis, stop going back to 1571. Stick to 1960 onwards. In 1571 it would have been normal. You had us as your slaves in the 60s, we have more reason to complain than you do.

In what we we had you as slaves? We proposed for all of us to be equal citizens without discriminations and you rejected it. You insisted on having privileges on our expense.

What slaves want is to be equal with all others, they do not demand privileges on the expense of everybody else.