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[metecyp]

I'll repeat what I said before

Another simpler issue is the posters at the Ledra Palace border. The TC side removed all the massacre pictures long time ago hoping that the GCs would do the same thing. But we still see the huge "barbaric" posters of Turks at Ledra Palace. You think those pictures help for reunification?

This is a very simple matter. There's no issue of recognition here. You can't deny that taking down those pictures was a good gesture and that's it. There was no other "hidden" meanings behind it, or any desire for recognition. Why doesn't your side do the same thing if peace is really wanted? Let's start from simple things. We already did but we're yet to see a response from your side.

[Piratis]

Why doesn't your side do the same thing if peace is really wanted?

I answered already. What is wanted is 1)liberation 2)peace in that order. We are not going to make peace with the occupation force.

Don't forget that what we have is cease fire line. This simply means suspension of combat. Technically we are still at war.

If we make peace now, without liberation first, that would mean that we do not consider Turkey as an occupation force anymore.

This is what Turkey wants. To show that in Cyprus there are two separate states, having borders between each other, and not not a cease fire line. This is the kind of peace they are trying to achieve. But for us, there is only one way to achieve peace, and this is the liberation of Cyprus.

Therefore, as I said before, any steps should not be only steps for peace, they should be steps for liberation as well, because only peace, without liberation, is not something we will accept.

[mehmet]

You can be sure of one thing, whatever action is taken in the north some people will say 'since TRNC was not legal, for the TRNC to make any gestures is no reason for us to reciprocate'. Of course for some people RoC is legal and therefore legitimate government of Turkish Cypriots. Never mind that Turkish Cypriots haven't been represented since 1963 after Papadopoulos and his mates draw up plans to rewrite constitution to make it more functional (for whose interest?).

This issue of the TRNC flag and the olympic torch doesn't ring true to me, it sounds like an excuse.

[Bananiot]

"I answered already. What is wanted is 1) liberation 2) peace in that order. We are not going to make peace with the occupation force".

Thank you very much Piratis. You have really thrown ample light on your inner thoughts. These heroic words point towards continuation of the status quo unless you can come up with a good idea of how we can liberate Cyprus and then sit on the table to negotiate the solution, in that order. I wonder, is this how our inexplicable government thinks?

[Piratis]

I didn't say we can not negotiate, I said we can not have peace while the Turkish occupation continues.

Is it possible to have peace while we still have a cease fire line between us? This would be two contraticting facts, a paradox.
For peace to exist, the cease fire line should be removed. This can happen in one of three ways:

1)Republic of Cyprus declare that it recognizes "TRNC". The cease fire line is transformed into an official international border and peace comes. This is the kind of peace that the Turks want, but we (excuding maybe you) will not accept.

2)Turkey to stop the occupation and return to the RC everything that legally belongs to it. This is something I don't see happening anytime soon.

3)Negotiate a solution, find a solution, vote for a solution, sign the solution. If/when we have a solution this will bring peace. But this must be a solution that the majority of us agrees with, and not a forced solution that is actually partition like the Annan plan.

[PEACE]

These steps are just for peace! You have to show goodwill!

Sure, these steps are for peace. But the kind of peace you want. You want to keep a big part of Cyprus as your own with some kind of partition, and the "two Cypruses" have peace between each other.

No,this is your idea.Peace agreement can't be unless it satifies both sides.It must satisfy Greek Cypriot side but also it must satisfy Turkish Cypriot side.

If we wanted such kind of peace, we could recognize "TRNC" and everything would be peaceful, right?

You can't resist to federation.Your federation style is where we are under completly Greek Cypriot dominance.This is worse than 1960 Republic Of Cyprus.

As long as you occupy part of our land peace will not come. If you want to make steps, you should make steps in that direction: start giving back the land that does not belong to you, start allowing people to take back their properties, start declaring that "TRNC" does not exist.
The "steps" you make have as only aim to pretend that "TRNC" is yet another separate country within EU. These are not the steps that will bring unity, and therefore they will not bring peace either.

Don't forget you are governing RC as a Hellenic republic and RC is not giving properties to TC's also! You have to stay in South Cyprus for 6 months and etc. etc.

You want your properties,returning of refugees... Are you ready for this too? We want our properties back that we left them!Where we will live? In a ruin? or in a nationalized property may be?

TRNC does not exist and world knows this.Mr. Talat said that we have no recognition demand!

TRNC can never be a seperate country in EU.Because its completely illegal.Recognition fear made you sick.

[Bananiot]

You said quite explicitly that before making peace we need to liberate Cyprus. Please tell me how we are to go about liberating our country and then we'll talk about peace. If you mean liberation through negotiations then perhaps you have chosen the wrong word.

[PEACE]

I didn't say we can not negotiate, I said we can not have peace while the Turkish occupation continues

Is it possible to have peace while we still have a cease fire line between us?

3)Negotiate a solution, find a solution, vote for a solution, sign the solution.

These three sentences are in contradiction.

As you know Green Line will stay there till peace agreement signed.Case-fire situation will end and there won't be Green Line anymore.

Turkish army is supposed to be here because of cease-fire situation.As a result occupation will end after peace agreement signed.

As you see all is depend on peace agreement ! If we can't sign a peace agreement nothing of these will change!

[Piratis]

If you mean liberation through negotiations then perhaps you have chosen the wrong word.

Why? Whats wrong with the word in this case?

As a result occupation will end after peace agreement signed.

No, peace agreement will be signed after the occupation ends. How can we sign a peace agreement while there is still occupation???

[mehmet]

the agreement will address the issues which led to the occupation in the first place, in order to ensure RoC functions for everybody fairly as it was intended.