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[PEACE]

PEACE, you can take some insidents and magnify them as much as you want. But it will be crazy to claim that any such events can balance the centuries of Ottoman rule, and the invasion/ocupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus for 30 years.

We gone to Ottoman time? This shows who is crazy.

Invasion is the result of your ENOSIS desire ! It didn't happened because of nothing!Also invasion is the result of ethnic cleaning of Turkish Cypriots from Cyprus.

Also don't forget that if Turkey didn't invade on 20 July 1974,Cyprus now will may be under Greece's occupation! Not 1/3 but all of it ! Also there won't be any TCs on island ! After that you may be so happy living without dealing TCs on a pure Hellenic Cyprus.

[metecyp]

On the other hand this is a time when we should be thinking about the future. The times are not simple. History is not the past, history is actually happening now. Personally, I'd rather talk about what we do so that permanent division is avoided. We need to understand why the olympic flag didn't make it to the north. We need to understand why the EU thinks that with the measures it is proposing it is actually promoting the reunification rather than destroying every hope. For those, of course, that still believe in reunification.

Yes, but I feel like we need to at least try to understand why things happenned the way they did in the past so we can avoid making the same mistakes again. For example, GCs proposed in 1963 for amendments in order to make the RC more "functional". Now, we see the same functionality argument with the Annan plan (some GCs say the Annan plan is not functional, and it should be changed). Or we hear some GCs that TCs are mere 18% minority and they shouldn't get more than 18% in any way, that's why the Annan plan is not fair. The same argument was used to get rid of TCs in the RC. I'm not trying to blame GCs for everything. These are just some examples that came to my mind right now but we need to talk about these and determine what was right/wrong about them so we can move forward in light of these.

[john]

Yes, but I feel like we need to at least try to understand why things happenned the way they did in the past so we can avoid making the same mistakes again. For example, GCs proposed in 1963 for amendments in order to make the RC more "functional". Now, we see the same functionality argument with the Annan plan (some GCs say the Annan plan is not functional, and it should be changed). Or we hear some GCs that TCs are mere 18% minority and they shouldn't get more than 18% in any way, that's why the Annan plan is not fair. The same argument was used to get rid of TCs in the RC. I'm not trying to blame GCs for everything. These are just some examples that came to my mind right now but we need to talk about these and determine what was right/wrong about them so we can move forward in light of these.

I don't know if it will be possible to argue on a basis that will be objective. For example:

John: The TC MPs would not vote for the budget, the country was without a budget! How do you expect a government to function without a budget?

Metecyp: The GCs did not accept separate municipalities in the main cities, we had to defend our rights that were part of the agreements. You were violating the agreements.

John: This is a divisive measure that does not promote the true reunification. You had taksim in your mind, you were organizing TMT, you were even bombing yourselves to promote hate between the two communities.

Metecyp: What true reunification? You had a whole Akritas plan ready to extinguish TCs from the island. You never gave up on Enosis, and you wanted us to be a minority.

John: We found similar documents on Kucuk's desk. You were as organized as we were. You left the government, we asked you to come back but you took advantage of the situation and clustered because you were "threatened". You always wanted partition of the island.

Metecyp: You wanted enosis, we were trying to defend ourselves. You killed innocent people, we have proofs!

John: And you did the same! GCs that lived in Louroujina and other villages were forced out of their houses so that you could form your ethnically clean clusters.

Metecyp: You wanted enosis!

John: You wanted taksim!

And here we are again, discussing the same thing.

I don't know how old you are, so I don't know if you've lived those days. I haven't so whatever I say is what I've read and been told, which could as well be untrue.

It's better if we try to understand why we mess up big time with current affairs (from big things like the referrendum and the EU/US/GB measures to small things like the olympic torch not visiting the north) and let's try to agree that what happened then is our parents' messup that we are hopefully trying to avoid repeating (not happening).

[Bananiot]

Since the olympic torch came into discussion, I should like to point to the explanation Papadopoulos gave for the sad business of the flame not passing over to the north.

“They asked for full equality. That is, whatever happens [in the south] and any officials receiving it (the flame), with the same rank and ole.”.

I think this argument points to the psych of the man. He has never accepted equality for the TC's and he never will.

"The man has changed" cried Christofias in the face of stiff opposition from within his party prior to making Papadopoulos his candidate.

The man has changed, for the worse. There is no doubt about it.

[Piratis]

He has never accepted equality for the TC's and he never will.

I don't know the specifics about the flame, but what Papadopoulos does not accept is the equality of Republic of Cyprus with "TRNC". The only ones who want this equality are the Turks and their allies.

[Bananiot]

Dead wrong, again! Its the Olympic bloody torch, we are talking about. Can you understand the symbolism? Kutlai Erk even agreed to read a prepared statement for Christ's sake. Prepared by Athens! How much misery is this man going to bring to us?

[metecyp]

You know what the problem is? People on both sides, and especially politicians, are paranoid. Whenever TC side does something, GCs find a way of interpreting it as an act of getting TRNC recognized. Similarly, whenever the GC side does something, TCs interpret it as GCs are trying to make them to return back to the Republic of Cyprus, or worse, give them minority rights and nothing else.

The same thing happenned with the olympic torch. The GC side wanted it to cross to the north with no ceremony or anything and no TC athletes running. Kutlay Erk wanted a small ceremony, and he even agreed to read a generic speech prepared by Greek olympic committee but the GC side interpreted this as if Kutaly Erk is trying to get TRNC recognized (and I'm sure that's the last thing on his agenda).

And as we all know, the torch did not go through the north. It is very sad that we missed another chance where we could have sent a message to the whole world that we want peace and unity by letting the torch and the symbols it represents go freely on both sides of the island. We always do this. We're very narrow minded. Instead of looking at the bigger picture, we always emphasize on the small and insignificant details and miss the real opportunities.

[Piratis]

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"The Turkish Cypriots rejected passage of the torch on the conditions we set, which are the same for all places visited," said Georgios Bolos, an official of Athens 2004, the committee in charge of organizing the Olympics and the torch's world tour.

The stumbling block was the Turkish Cypriot insistence on an official welcome for the torch, including a display of flags of the breakaway state when torchbearers were expected to cross into the Turkish Cypriot quarter of the divided capital, Nicosia.


Obviously the only symbolism that the authorities in the north cared about was that in Cyprus exist two separate countries.

Why do you blame everything on Papadopoulos??? Who brings misery is the occupation by the Turkish army, and not Papadopoulos.

[metecyp]

Obviously the only symbolism that the authorities in the north cared about was that in Cyprus exist two separate countries.

Come on. You know that members of this forum are not stupid and you know it's not that simple. The following link is from Cyprus Mail, and it tells most of the story.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 5&cat_id=1

I'm also quoting some parts of it to show what authorities in the north really cared.

"The celebrations that were going to be held in the north we agreed to, but the Greek Cypriot side changed its position late yesterday. There is uncertainty about what will happen and our sports ministry is seeing what it can do."

Speaking to the Cyprus Mail yesterday, a furious 'Sports Ministry' undersecretary Ali Volkan said all the conditions set by the head of the Cyprus Olympic Committee Kikis Lazarides had been accepted by the authorities in the north.

"There was no problem at all - all we wanted was for our mayor to greet the runners in the same way all the mayors of all the towns through which the runners will pass will do in the south.
"Our municipality, incidentally, was formed in 1960 and is recognised internationally. It even has representation in the EU. We wanted to have a song by a bi-communal choir, some folk dances, and to release doves into the air and hand out olive branches - all of which are symbols of peace.
"But they (the Greek Cypriot committee) decided at the last moment that if we were going to do these things, the flame would not be allowed to pass.

[PEACE]

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"The Turkish Cypriots rejected passage of the torch on the conditions we set, which are the same for all places visited," said Georgios Bolos, an official of Athens 2004, the committee in charge of organizing the Olympics and the torch's world tour.

The stumbling block was the Turkish Cypriot insistence on an official welcome for the torch, including a display of flags of the breakaway state when torchbearers were expected to cross into the Turkish Cypriot quarter of the divided capital, Nicosia.


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Piratis, Can i ask your source of this writing? Can you write where did you copied it from?

The event that i heard is like metecyp wrote !