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[Malapapa]

I fear that some logic-chopping seems to have rubbed off.

On you certainly.

Mrs Blair's representation of the Orams is not the same as a statement by a parliamentary candidate in his official capacity. she is not a Labour party official. If I may be devil's advocate for a moment: she could very well claim that, as a lawyer, by representing the Orams she did not necessarily take a position one way or the other, just as if she was representing a bank robber she did not necessarily support robbery ("everyone is entitled to a defence", etc).

The Prime Minister's wife played devil's advocate for real, and now you're defending her? I can't think why, other than wasting my time on a pointless argument; in which case, may I refer you to someone who might indulge you on your level; Viewpoint perhaps.

BTW, thank you for the Lib Dem's website address. Very informative of you.

Thanks. Let me know how you get on with Ludford.

I don't know where your conviction stems from, that recognition of the north is not official LibDem policy (the same could be said of the other rwo main parties, I suppose)

Exactly. I refer you to Britain's treaty obligations to Cyprus regarding recognition.

given that when you asked their leader's response was unclear and given that at least 2 prominent LibDems, despicably as you say, in their official capacity clearly support such recognition. I am not saying that the other parties are much better w.r.t. Cyprus, but it seems LibDem is the worst of a bad lot.

No better, no worse. It was a Labour government which stood by while the coup and invasion took place, and subsequent Tory and Labour governments, over decades, that haven't done anywhere near enough to reverse the tragedy.

Perish the thought, that we should let it interfere with promoting PR in the UK. As if.

Hatter, I've made up my mind to vote LibDem, for reasons already explained. So, if you're canvasing on behalf of either the Tories or Labour, go find yourself a floater.

[Jerry]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

[Hatter]

I fear that some logic-chopping seems to have rubbed off.

On you certainly.

Mrs Blair's representation of the Orams is not the same as a statement by a parliamentary candidate in his official capacity. she is not a Labour party official. If I may be devil's advocate for a moment: she could very well claim that, as a lawyer, by representing the Orams she did not necessarily take a position one way or the other, just as if she was representing a bank robber she did not necessarily support robbery ("everyone is entitled to a defence", etc).

The Prime Minister's wife played devil's advocate for real, and now you're defending her? I can't think why, other than wasting my time on a pointless argument; in which case, may I refer you to someone who might indulge you on your level; Viewpoint perhaps.

BTW, thank you for the Lib Dem's website address. Very informative of you.

Thanks. Let me know how you get on with Ludford.

I don't know where your conviction stems from, that recognition of the north is not official LibDem policy (the same could be said of the other rwo main parties, I suppose)

Exactly. I refer you to Britain's treaty obligations to Cyprus regarding recognition.

given that when you asked their leader's response was unclear and given that at least 2 prominent LibDems, despicably as you say, in their official capacity clearly support such recognition. I am not saying that the other parties are much better w.r.t. Cyprus, but it seems LibDem is the worst of a bad lot.

No better, no worse. It was a Labour government which stood by while the coup and invasion took place, and subsequent Tory and Labour governments, over decades, that haven't done anywhere near enough to reverse the tragedy.

Perish the thought, that we should let it interfere with promoting PR in the UK. As if.

Hatter, I've made up my mind to vote LibDem, for reasons already explained. So, if you're canvasing on behalf of either the Tories or Labour, go find yourself a floater.

Firstly, I am not the one that was exposed to logic-chopping, except in this thread ... but don't flatter yourself.

Secondly, I am not defending cherie Blair, I am simply pointing out that her action cannot be equated with public statements of LibDem officials in support of recognition of the north. BTW, it was you that mentioned her in this discussion, which is now conveniently "pointless". And please do not insult me by referring me to Viewpoint.

Thirdly, we all know about the UK's treaty obligations, but there is a sliding scale within that spectrum. Your LibDems, or to be fair, some prominent members in their official capacity, seem to have placed themselves at one end of that scale.

Fourthly, I am not canvassing on behalf of any party. It is you that is promoting the agenda of one of the parties, as evidenced in this thread. And you have the cheek to imply that I am canvassing.

[Hatter]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

You are preaching to the converted here, Jerry.
I agree that she should have turned it down.
Her action was inexcusable (understatement of the year).

[Oracle]

I too received a communication from Clegg, regarding the "Memorial" which was to be erected in the "trnc". Before he was shown to be the 'pretty boy' making the best alongside two very poor candidates (Brown and Cameron) I took him for a schoolboy trying to suck up to a teacher when there was very little up top but a desire to please mummy by "doing well". In short, a disappointing Lib-Dem leader who would be swayed by misguided "liberal" sentiments as soon as some crafty Zionist got hold of his nether regions ... the Choirboy that he is ...

Under the circumstances, I shall abstain. Let the Brits go to hell! They'll be going round with begging bowls shortly anyway ... What a waste of all I have put into the UK!

[Jerry]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

You are preaching to the converted here, Jerry.
I agree that she should have turned it down.
Her action was inexcusable (understatement of the year).

We have harmony tonight in this little corner of CF then.

[Oracle]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

You are preaching to the converted here, Jerry.
I agree that she should have turned it down.
Her action was inexcusable (understatement of the year).

Why did she use Official Headed Notepaper?

[Hatter]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

You are preaching to the converted here, Jerry.
I agree that she should have turned it down.
Her action was inexcusable (understatement of the year).

We have harmony tonight in this little corner of CF then.

[Jerry]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

You are preaching to the converted here, Jerry.
I agree that she should have turned it down.
Her action was inexcusable (understatement of the year).

Why did she use Official Headed Notepaper?

Probably because that was where she lived and Tony has a wad of it on his desk or she's too tight to buy her own.

[Oracle]

Hatter, Mrs Blair was very aware of the concern of Cypriots over the Orams case. She knew it was a sensitive case and being the wife of the British PM she should have turned it down, her effing sidekick even suggested that I took legal advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Law Society - and then she goes on to defend thieving Orams. Here's what I wrote to her and her reply: -

You are preaching to the converted here, Jerry.
I agree that she should have turned it down.
Her action was inexcusable (understatement of the year).

Why did she use Official Headed Notepaper?

Probably because that was where she lived and Tony has a wad of it on his desk or she's too tight to buy her own.

That pretty much sums up British politics at the moment.