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[Malapapa]

Whats the Lib Dems policy on Cyprus? I have always thought they were more closer to the idea of upgrading the TRNC and cementing partition...

They don't have a policy. When I challenged Clegg some month's ago, after that bitch Sarah Ludford made a pigs ear of things post-Orams, he umed and ahed like a lily-livered Liberal.

It sounds like Baroness Ludford is under the influence of Meral Ece.

But I have to say, I attended a meeting in Hendon where Lib Dem candidate Matthew Harris was speaking. When asked about Cyprus he said he thinks the TRNC should be recognised.

Another misguided "Liberal" Jew who thinks carving up Cyprus can set a precedent for Israel/Palestine.

So why do you support them, Malapapa?

I support LibDem because I can't bring myself to vote Labour or Tory (both of whom supported Blair's Iraq war). Like many, after the war, the banking crisis and MP's expenses fiasco, I am disillusioned with British politics generally. However, the increased popularity of the LibDems following the TV debates has energised the election, creating an interesting possibility which could bring about a shake-up of British politics: a hung parliament with LibDems holding the balance of power.

I believe the British electoral system badly needs reform to ensure all votes matter; rather than only those in key marginals resulting in a few tens of thousands of people ultimately deciding alternate periods of Tory/Labour dictatorships for the rest of us.

I am hopeful that, in a hung parliament, the LibDems will secure some form of proportional representation as a condition for cooperating with the largest party in terms of seats (hopefully Labour, minus Gordon Brown as leader, who again, as a condition of LibDem support, could be forced to stand down).

and why do you put Liberal within quotes? Is he or isn't he a Liberal candidate?

He is a Liberal candidate but supporting ethnic cleansing, whether in Palestine or Cyprus, ("land for peace" as they call it) is not what I'd describe as a "liberal" philosophy, especially when the land in question is not yours to give away.

Without wishing to split hairs, you did not put "liberal" in quotes, but "Liberal", potentially giving the spin that he is not a real Lib Dem. We are talking political parties here, not political philosophy.

Give me a break.

But, be that as it may, the main point is that in the name of electoral reform, you support a party that (a) has not clearly stated their policy w.r.t. Cyprus (BTW, the fact that Clegg did not give an answer when you challenged him does not necessarily mean they dont have a policy, it could be that he didn't want to say what it is) (b) it puts forward candidates (at least one we know about) that openly and publicly support the recognition of TRNC and (c) numbers Ludford, an active supporter and promoter of TRNC, amongst its prominent MEP members.

It's fair to say I'm not using my vote in the UK elections with Cyprus directly in mind. That's not to say I have any more faith in either the Tories (some of whose MP's have in the past acquired properties in the north), or Labour. (It was Mrs Tony Blair, you'll recall, who represented the Orams in the High Courts). All British parties speak with fork tongue when it comes to Cyprus and adhering to their treaty obligations.

Perhaps you did not challenge Clegg strongly enough.

It required the intervention of the Liberal party chairman to elicit any kind of response which, when it came, was suitably weasel-worded.

[Hatter]

Give me a break.

I did give you a break. I said "be that as it may" ... That was giving you a break. But since you mention it, a spin is a spin is a spin.

It's fair to say I'm not using my vote in the UK elections with Cyprus directly in mind. That's not to say I have any more faith in either the Tories (some of whose MP's have in the past acquired properties in the north), or Labour. (It was Mrs Tony Blair, you'll recall, who represented the Orams in the High Courts). All British parties speak with fork tongue when it comes to Cyprus and adhering to their treaty obligations.

Your prerogative, of course. But why not? What is it incompatible with?
We all know about the forked tongue, Mrs Blair, Tory MPs who acquired properties in the north etc. But as far as I am aware, Lib Dems are the only party from amongst whose prominent members there is a political stance openly and actively in support of the illegal and inhumane regime in the north.

It required the intervention of the Liberal party chairman to elicit any kind of response which, when it came, was suitably weasel-worded.

And you left it at that? If it is not too much trouble, could you share with us exactly what was the response?

[Paphitis]

This only proves that many Cypriots base their votes on ideological grounds and not the Cyprus Issue.

How very sad INMHO....

[Malapapa]

Give me a break.

I did give you a break. I said "be that as it may" ... That was giving you a break. But since you mention it, a spin is a spin is a spin.

You've spun this particular yarn far enough.

It's fair to say I'm not using my vote in the UK elections with Cyprus directly in mind. That's not to say I have any more faith in either the Tories (some of whose MP's have in the past acquired properties in the north), or Labour. (It was Mrs Tony Blair, you'll recall, who represented the Orams in the High Courts). All British parties speak with fork tongue when it comes to Cyprus and adhering to their treaty obligations.

Your prerogative, of course. But why not? What is it incompatible with?
We all know about the forked tongue, Mrs Blair, Tory MPs who acquired properties in the north etc. But as far as I am aware, Lib Dems are the only party from amongst whose prominent members there is a political stance openly and actively in support of the illegal and inhumane regime in the north.

The Labour PM's wife, by representing the Orams was openly and actively supporting the illegal and inhumane regime in the north. Senior Tory MPs acquiring property in the north, likewise. Voting Labour or Tory could just as easily be 'spun' into a vote against Cyprus, if you're out for a spin. I am convinced that it is not official LibDem policy to recognise the north (nor could it ever be) despite what one or two despicable prominent members may say.

It required the intervention of the Liberal party chairman to elicit any kind of response which, when it came, was suitably weasel-worded.

And you left it at that?

Here's the LibDems' contact details. Be my guest if you feel there's merit in taking on Ludford further...

https://www.libdems.org.uk/contact.aspx

If it is not too much trouble, could you share with us exactly what was the response?

I no longer have a record of it, I'm afraid. It was quite a while back. But from memory it was the usual logic-chopping that British politicians of all shades are famed for when cornered.

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[Paphitis]

[Raymanoff]

I am voting for Lib Dem, they will make Weed legal...

[cyprusgrump]

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[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

when are you all going to realise the majority of the uk public including your local future mp knows absolutly nothing about the cyprus prob. The ONLY thing thing they know about cyprus is that young brits go there for to get pist and layed

[Hatter]

Give me a break.

I did give you a break. I said "be that as it may" ... That was giving you a break. But since you mention it, a spin is a spin is a spin.

You've spun this particular yarn far enough.

It's fair to say I'm not using my vote in the UK elections with Cyprus directly in mind. That's not to say I have any more faith in either the Tories (some of whose MP's have in the past acquired properties in the north), or Labour. (It was Mrs Tony Blair, you'll recall, who represented the Orams in the High Courts). All British parties speak with fork tongue when it comes to Cyprus and adhering to their treaty obligations.

Your prerogative, of course. But why not? What is it incompatible with?
We all know about the forked tongue, Mrs Blair, Tory MPs who acquired properties in the north etc. But as far as I am aware, Lib Dems are the only party from amongst whose prominent members there is a political stance openly and actively in support of the illegal and inhumane regime in the north.

The Labour PM's wife, by representing the Orams was openly and actively supporting the illegal and inhumane regime in the north. Senior Tory MPs acquiring property in the north, likewise. Voting Labour or Tory could just as easily be 'spun' into a vote against Cyprus, if you're out for a spin. I am convinced that it is not official LibDem policy to recognise the north (nor could it ever be) despite what one or two despicable prominent members may say.

It required the intervention of the Liberal party chairman to elicit any kind of response which, when it came, was suitably weasel-worded.

And you left it at that?

Here's the LibDems' contact details. Be my guest if you feel there's merit in taking on Ludford further...

https://www.libdems.org.uk/contact.aspx

If it is not too much trouble, could you share with us exactly what was the response?

I no longer have a record of it, I'm afraid. It was quite a while back. But from memory it was the usual logic-chopping that British politicians of all shades are famed for when cornered.

I fear that some logic-chopping seems to have rubbed off.
Mrs Blair's representation of the Orams is not the same as a statement by a parliamentary candidate in his official capacity. she is not a Labour party official. If I may be devil's advocate for a moment: she could very well claim that, as a lawyer, by representing the Orams she did not necessarily take a position one way or the other, just as if she was representing a bank robber she did not necessarily support robbery ("everyone is entitled to a defence", etc).

BTW, thank you for the Lib Dem's website address. Very informative of you.

I don't know where your conviction stems from, that recognition of the north is not official LibDem policy (the same could be said of the other rwo main parties, I suppose) given that when you asked their leader's response was unclear and given that at least 2 prominent LibDems, despicably as you say, in their official capacity clearly support such recognition. I am not saying that the other parties are much better w.r.t. Cyprus, but it seems LibDem is the worst of a bad lot. Perish the thought, that we should let it interfere with promoting PR in the UK. As if.