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[repulsewarrior]

...thanks, Cap; funny!

[Cap]

...thanks, Cap; funny!

[yialousa1971]

Only Greeks can be Cypriots.

[bill cobbett]

Only Greeks can be Cypriots.

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[kimon07]

Just curious as to what all your opinions are on the following topic:

Can Cypriot Nationalism exist before a Cyprus solution or reunification?

A Cypriot National Party would secure a future for the indigenous people of this island in the Eastern Mediterranean which has been their homeland for millennia.

They would use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe, Anatolia and the Levant.

The migrations of the Phoenicians, Myceneans, Achaeans, Macedonians, Venetians, Byzantines, Venetians, Anatolians, Lusignans, Maronites and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, been instrumental in defining the character of their nation.

Did you deliberately leave out Ottoman Turks in your list of migrations?

The Ottomans did not "migrate" to Cyprus nor populated it. They just conquered. And by the time they did conquer Cyprus and other Mediterranean territories, the national identities of the local populations were already formed and strong like cement. Could not be affected. Only the religion of some "soft” ones (like the linopambakoi in Cyprus and the "Turkish Cretans") changed and that led to their “turkification” later. In fact, the different religion of the Ottomans helped greatly the conquered Greeks of Cyprus, Greece, Crete etc, as well as other Balkan nations to retain their national identities. See, for instance, the Greeks of Asia Minor. They retained their Greekness till the end (1922) and some of them (crypto-Greeks, crypto-Christians of Pontos-Black Sea) still retain it.

[Lordo]

400 years of ottoman rule and you learnt nothing.

[kimon07]

400 years of ottoman rule and you learnt nothing.

How could the Greeks learn anything from the Ottomans except maybe, how to milk a mare?

In any event, you are right. We did not learn anything from them.We kept the knowlage and culture we already had, which, by the time of your arrival to the Middle East, had become international. And from which, by the way, the Ottomans got a lot too, as you very well know, including "your" star and crescent).

Not to mention what the ancestors of the Ottomans got from the Greeks and their culture in their own homelands deep in the East, during the 400 year period (300 BC to about 100 AD) of the Hellenistic era and of the Greco-Bactrian and the Greco Indian kingdoms. I advise you to study the history of these two kingdoms. You will be taught very interesting things about your ancestors If, of course, you are a descendant of the Ottomans and not of an islamised Cypriot (linopambakos).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom

[Lordo]

you did not even learn that stupid boy.

[kimon07]

you did not even learn that stupid boy.

No. I did not learn how to milk a mare. Do you know how Lordo? Any particular way to ....stimulate it before you milk it?

[kimon07]

400 years of ottoman rule and you learnt nothing.

How could the Greeks learn anything from the Ottomans except maybe, how to milk a mare?

In any event, you are right. We did not learn anything from them.We kept the knowlage and culture we already had, which, by the time of your arrival to the Middle East, had become international. And from which, by the way, the Ottomans got a lot too, as you very well know, including "your" star and crescent).

Not to mention what the ancestors of the Ottomans got from the Greeks and their culture in their own homelands deep in the East, during the 400 year period (300 BC to about 100 AD) of the Hellenistic era and of the Greco-Bactrian and the Greco Indian kingdoms. I advise you to study the history of these two kingdoms. You will be taught very interesting things about your ancestors If, of course, you are a descendant of the Ottomans and not of an islamised Cypriot (linopambakos).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom

Forgot to mention this:

HELLENISTIC KINGDOMS.png

And this:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire

You know what Lordo? You may even have Greek roots, not ONLY from a Cypriot linopambakos but from a Greek of Bactria. Be proud lad. Be proud.