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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Gasman » Thu May 06, 2010 5:38 pm

Not many is the answer. One in Afghanistan apparently. You have to just love the way O keeps ignoring the 'corruption', 'black economy' and rife 'tax avoidance' that the Greek Govt themselves has admitted caused the problem and instead blames it on them having to guard their borders!

I think this article sums up the situation very well (without mentioning the cost of the military):

NO TAX PLEASE, WE'RE GREEK!

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The Greek government is trying to recover billions of euros lost to tax evasion as part of its austerity programme, but as the BBC's Malcolm Brabant finds, many Greeks see it as their right to keep as much black money as possible.

A good friend of mine bent my ear with a vengeance on the day the Greek government cranked up its austerity programme another notch.

"My husband is thinking of writing the word vlacha on his forehead in very big letters," she said.

Vlacha means stupid.

Her husband's name is Stelios and he is anything but a stupid man.

Stelios is a leading cancer specialist whose dedication to saving lives is such that he rarely takes time off, or holidays.

But he has come to the conclusion that he is stupid because he has been honest.

Anyone who has ever been at the mercy of the American health system knows that even if you are critically ill, many hospitals will not let you near a doctor until they have swiped your credit card.


There is an old adage here that Greece is a poor country full of rich people

In Greece, if you try to pay for private treatment with a credit card, even the most distinguished surgeon might raise his eyebrows and click his tongue, which means: "What part of no don't you understand?"

Because the doctor wants cash. Stelios is one of the few doctors who will give you a receipt. He declares his income to the taxman and pays his proper dues to the state. As opposed to many of his colleagues who are pillars of Greece's thriving black economy.

Blackmail fears

"We know surgeons who earn 700,000 euros a year," fumed Stelios's wife. "And they hardly pay any tax at all."

"So why didn't Stelios do what everybody else did?" I asked.

"Partly because of fear," she replied. "Fear of a visit from a tax inspector who would try to blackmail him by demanding 10,000 euros in an envelope in return for not going through his accounts with a fine toothcomb. And also because he wanted to do the right thing."

There is an old adage here that Greece is a poor country full of rich people.

That is only partially true.
Women look at the discounted prices in front of a shopwindow at a shoe shop in central Athens
Sales draw crowds of window shoppers

I know lots of poor Greeks. I have several friends who are teetering on the precipice of bankruptcy.

Some of my friends' wives are losing their hair and their faces are developing deep lines from the worry of the cash running out.

In my local high street, which boomed after the Olympic Games of 2004, the favourite sport is now window shopping. Clothes and shoe shops seem to be staging permanent sales.

In Kolonaki, the upmarket Athenian equivalent of Knightsbridge, I saw a shop offering 80% off. People are becoming desperate.

Corruption scandal

Last month I went to a hysterically funny play called Mama Ellada, which satirises the corruption and nepotism pervading Greek society.

In it, two corrupt politicians sell off the Acropolis to businessmen so they can turn it into a casino. The purchasers turn out to be priests.

The plot wasn't so far from the truth. It was parodying a land scandal involving ministers from the last government and monks from a monastery on Mount Athos.

One of the co-authors of the play said that Greeks were all in favour of higher taxes, just as long as other people paid them.

The Greek economy is like an aircraft that's caught in a flat spin and the pilot, George Papandreou, is struggling to regain flight by trying to increase tax revenues

Greece used to boast a bold enterprising culture, but now people dare not gamble money on new ventures in case they don't get paid.

The owner of a small computer store I know tries to offer his customers credit in order to shift hardware. He says he has spent a year trying to chase up the money, and he reckons he has just a few months left, if that.

Taking bribes

The Greek economy is like an aircraft that's caught in a flat spin.

The pilot, Prime Minister George Papandreou, is struggling to regain level flight by trying to increase tax revenues. His critics say he is not doing enough to cut the bloated civil service.

Now the government is going to raise income taxes, Stelios the cancer specialist is going to be digging even deeper into his pockets to pay his dues, while his medical colleagues will find new ways of trying to keep as much black money as possible.

Demonstrators in front of the Greek Parliament in Athens
Greek public sector workers have gone on strike over the austerity plans

And if that means bribing the odd civil servant then so be it.

Stelios's wife signed off with this missive: "Until they give some incentive for those who actually declare their income and figure out how to get rid of the black money that most rich Greeks see as their right, they will never solve the problem.
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Postby halil » Thu May 06, 2010 7:36 pm

Gasman wrote:Not many is the answer. One in Afghanistan apparently. You have to just love the way O keeps ignoring the 'corruption', 'black economy' and rife 'tax avoidance' that the Greek Govt themselves has admitted caused the problem and instead blames it on them having to guard their borders!

I think this article sums up the situation very well (without mentioning the cost of the military):

NO TAX PLEASE, WE'RE GREEK!

Image

The Greek government is trying to recover billions of euros lost to tax evasion as part of its austerity programme, but as the BBC's Malcolm Brabant finds, many Greeks see it as their right to keep as much black money as possible.

A good friend of mine bent my ear with a vengeance on the day the Greek government cranked up its austerity programme another notch.

"My husband is thinking of writing the word vlacha on his forehead in very big letters," she said.

Vlacha means stupid.

Her husband's name is Stelios and he is anything but a stupid man.

Stelios is a leading cancer specialist whose dedication to saving lives is such that he rarely takes time off, or holidays.

But he has come to the conclusion that he is stupid because he has been honest.

Anyone who has ever been at the mercy of the American health system knows that even if you are critically ill, many hospitals will not let you near a doctor until they have swiped your credit card.


There is an old adage here that Greece is a poor country full of rich people

In Greece, if you try to pay for private treatment with a credit card, even the most distinguished surgeon might raise his eyebrows and click his tongue, which means: "What part of no don't you understand?"

Because the doctor wants cash. Stelios is one of the few doctors who will give you a receipt. He declares his income to the taxman and pays his proper dues to the state. As opposed to many of his colleagues who are pillars of Greece's thriving black economy.

Blackmail fears

"We know surgeons who earn 700,000 euros a year," fumed Stelios's wife. "And they hardly pay any tax at all."

"So why didn't Stelios do what everybody else did?" I asked.

"Partly because of fear," she replied. "Fear of a visit from a tax inspector who would try to blackmail him by demanding 10,000 euros in an envelope in return for not going through his accounts with a fine toothcomb. And also because he wanted to do the right thing."

There is an old adage here that Greece is a poor country full of rich people.

That is only partially true.
Women look at the discounted prices in front of a shopwindow at a shoe shop in central Athens
Sales draw crowds of window shoppers

I know lots of poor Greeks. I have several friends who are teetering on the precipice of bankruptcy.

Some of my friends' wives are losing their hair and their faces are developing deep lines from the worry of the cash running out.

In my local high street, which boomed after the Olympic Games of 2004, the favourite sport is now window shopping. Clothes and shoe shops seem to be staging permanent sales.

In Kolonaki, the upmarket Athenian equivalent of Knightsbridge, I saw a shop offering 80% off. People are becoming desperate.

Corruption scandal

Last month I went to a hysterically funny play called Mama Ellada, which satirises the corruption and nepotism pervading Greek society.

In it, two corrupt politicians sell off the Acropolis to businessmen so they can turn it into a casino. The purchasers turn out to be priests.

The plot wasn't so far from the truth. It was parodying a land scandal involving ministers from the last government and monks from a monastery on Mount Athos.

One of the co-authors of the play said that Greeks were all in favour of higher taxes, just as long as other people paid them.

The Greek economy is like an aircraft that's caught in a flat spin and the pilot, George Papandreou, is struggling to regain flight by trying to increase tax revenues

Greece used to boast a bold enterprising culture, but now people dare not gamble money on new ventures in case they don't get paid.

The owner of a small computer store I know tries to offer his customers credit in order to shift hardware. He says he has spent a year trying to chase up the money, and he reckons he has just a few months left, if that.

Taking bribes

The Greek economy is like an aircraft that's caught in a flat spin.

The pilot, Prime Minister George Papandreou, is struggling to regain level flight by trying to increase tax revenues. His critics say he is not doing enough to cut the bloated civil service.

Now the government is going to raise income taxes, Stelios the cancer specialist is going to be digging even deeper into his pockets to pay his dues, while his medical colleagues will find new ways of trying to keep as much black money as possible.

Demonstrators in front of the Greek Parliament in Athens
Greek public sector workers have gone on strike over the austerity plans

And if that means bribing the odd civil servant then so be it.

Stelios's wife signed off with this missive: "Until they give some incentive for those who actually declare their income and figure out how to get rid of the black money that most rich Greeks see as their right, they will never solve the problem.



vowww ...........
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Postby halil » Thu May 06, 2010 7:47 pm

Turkey carefully monitors developments in Greece, President Gül

Speaking to reporters in Central Anatolian province of Eskişehir, Gül said stability and economic strength of its neighbors would be in the interest of Turkey and the region.

"I believe that Greece will overcome its problems. World economic crisis shook many countries. Fortunately, Turkey is one of the countries that overcome the economic crisis in the shortest time. Turkish economy will again continue to grow next year," Gül said.


06 May 2010, Thursday


THE ANATOLIA NEWS AGENCY ESKIŞEHIR
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Re: Strong Greece in the interest of Cyprus and whole EU ...

Postby kentish » Thu May 06, 2010 8:12 pm

Oracle wrote:Greece has crippled itself protecting EU borders against the manifold hated Turks. Isn't it about time the EU had a unified defence strategy against the belligerent expansionist Turks? Why should it be the sole responsibility of the bordering countries like Greece and Cyprus to spend massively on defence just to keep these unwanted Turks from encroaching further into EU territory?

Come on EU! Take over the military mantle! Drive the Turks away once and for all so that the EU can resume normality.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD9FCQK380


go rabid girl go, you have achieved something i thought not possible.you have surpassed your quality of post by a mile.we can all take you even less seriously now.by the way how many bountys have you put on turkish lives this month
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Re: Strong Greece in the interest of Cyprus and whole EU ...

Postby Oracle » Thu May 06, 2010 9:06 pm

kentish wrote:
Oracle wrote:Greece has crippled itself protecting EU borders against the manifold hated Turks. Isn't it about time the EU had a unified defence strategy against the belligerent expansionist Turks? Why should it be the sole responsibility of the bordering countries like Greece and Cyprus to spend massively on defence just to keep these unwanted Turks from encroaching further into EU territory?

Come on EU! Take over the military mantle! Drive the Turks away once and for all so that the EU can resume normality.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD9FCQK380


go rabid girl go, you have achieved something i thought not possible.you have surpassed your quality of post by a mile.we can all take you even less seriously now.by the way how many bountys have you put on turkish lives this month


Me? Why should I bother? Your Turkish wives are quite capable of having you knocked off themselves:

Cheating wife given classes after paying hitman £800

Thursday, February 12, 2009

A cheating wife who paid £800 to hire a hitman to murder her husband was yesterday spared jail and put on a life skills course instead.
Mother-of-two Zekiye Osmankan, arranged to have her husband, Cinsan, killed after a complaining about him during a chance meeting with a friend at her children's primary school.


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Postby kentish » Thu May 06, 2010 9:22 pm

you have competition my rabid loser,who is cheaper you or zekiye, and when did you stop this barbaric practice of payment for killing
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Postby Oracle » Thu May 06, 2010 11:14 pm

I wonder how much Turkey paid to have all those millions of Armenians, Greeks and Kurds killed, since apparently Turkey's hands are clean.

So which is worse my 'moralistic' Turk? Paying others to do your killing or doing it yourself for free since you seem to be so stuck on this Turkish woman's example of how to treat a Turkish husband ....
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Postby BOF » Fri May 07, 2010 12:05 am

Oracle wrote:Greece has one of the highest military expenditures for its GDP, in the whole of the EU!

So why would that be?

What is unique about Greece that it has had to fork out so much of its revenue on Military matters?

The only reason is the Turkish threat!

If Greece can no longer undertake this, the EU has to face up to its responsibilities and keep the Turks at bay!


But Greece wasnt interested in keeping the Turks at bay in the first world war - she refused to join the Allied side to fight against the Turks.....
Only finally joining in in 1917.
Thats why there are thousands dead at Gallipoli, mainy Aussies and New Zealanders, but NO Greeks.
There may be a lot of Greeks in Australia now but for Several years after WW1 NO Greek immigration was allowed into Australia.
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 07, 2010 12:34 am

BOF wrote:
Oracle wrote:Greece has one of the highest military expenditures for its GDP, in the whole of the EU!

So why would that be?

What is unique about Greece that it has had to fork out so much of its revenue on Military matters?

The only reason is the Turkish threat!

If Greece can no longer undertake this, the EU has to face up to its responsibilities and keep the Turks at bay!


But Greece wasnt interested in keeping the Turks at bay in the first world war - she refused to join the Allied side to fight against the Turks.....
Only finally joining in in 1917.
Thats why there are thousands dead at Gallipoli, mainy Aussies and New Zealanders, but NO Greeks.
There may be a lot of Greeks in Australia now but for Several years after WW1 NO Greek immigration was allowed into Australia.


Greece had been fighting the Turks (Ottomans) pretty much continuously for nearly 100 years by the time of WWI. Who helped Greece?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri May 07, 2010 2:12 am

Dear Oracle,
The last time there was a major military confrontation between Greece and Turkey it was on the Anatolian plains in the early 20s,and the aggressors were the Greeks...Remember??? Now run along to your psychiatrist and get her/him to change your medication. The present tablets are obviously not working... :wink: :)
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