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[cymart]

Even if by some miracle,Turkey agrees to return the closed area to the U.N. or the Greek-Cypriots,apart from the cost of reparing the damage/rebuilding etc. there are other serious practical problems and one is that of how to deal with the issue of where the already inhabited areas are directly adjacent to the closed area:this can be observed by anyone who takes a drive(or a long walk) along the fence which separates them at present.All the way from Ayia Ekaterini church along the Dherinia road for example,the right hand side of the street is inhabited while the fence is on the left in front of the houses opposite!So how would this be dealt with?Then there is the fact that the hospital,town hall, police station and law-courts are all in the inhabited area and the closed area has none of these essential services.
At least the Annan Plan map clearly stipulated that all of the area of Varosha outside the port and old city up to the roundabout where the roads to Larnaca and Nicosia meet would be returned in phase one of implementation-i.e. within 90 days of the agreement coming into force,while Kato Varosha and the area south of the Larnaca road is included in a later phase....
What are we hoping for now that Eroglu is in power-just that we will get back the closed area which is effectively an enclave?Or maybe we should try agreeing to the E.U.'s direct trade proposal in return for the whole of Varosha and joint use of the port before they give it to them for nothing!
I can see this possibility rearing its head if we are not careful!
And another gloomy note to end with,although the Palm Beach Hotel(formerly Constantia) closed during the winter they have been busy renovating it ready to re-open soon,the beach bar in front of the ruins of the Florida and Aspelia hotels is thriving and the cafes opposite the nautical club in a nicely paved pedestrian zone are very busy too so I cannot forsee that the Turks have any intention of abandoning that part of Varosha to the G.C's as part of any agreement!
Lets face reality and stop wasting any more time on trifles!!

[Pyrpolizer]

The reality my friend is that if we accept any solution that will jeopardize the right of ownership we will not get ANYTHING back.

So don't get disappointed. Nobody can keep anything that doesn't belong to him.
The administrative structure is one thing, the right to own and use your property as you like, is another.

[YFred]

The reality my friend is that if we accept any solution that will jeopardize the right of ownership we will not get ANYTHING back.

So don't get disappointed. Nobody can keep anything that doesn't belong to him.
The administrative structure is one thing, the right to own and use your property as you like, is another.

So its all or nothing then?

[Pyrpolizer]

Peeeeeeee

[BOF]

The reality my friend is that if we accept any solution that will jeopardize the right of ownership we will not get ANYTHING back.

So don't get disappointed. Nobody can keep anything that doesn't belong to him.
The administrative structure is one thing, the right to own and use your property as you like, is another.

So No Solution get nothing back? thats a hollow victory.

China and tibet.?
Kaliningrad naval base - Lithuania.?
Palestine - Israel?

My Wifes parents lost everything - members of their families killed and missing, never seen again, fleeing their homes - persued and bombed...
No restitution after the end of the war no right of return on penalty of arrest, no claim on their property, no given a cash handout and a plot of land - exiled never to return. both died without ever getting anything back, although father in law was allowed to visit his brother after 40 years of seperation..
they didnt have any rights regarding their property or family.

[Pyrpolizer]

The reality my friend is that if we accept any solution that will jeopardize the right of ownership we will not get ANYTHING back.

So don't get disappointed. Nobody can keep anything that doesn't belong to him.
The administrative structure is one thing, the right to own and use your property as you like, is another.

So No Solution get nothing back? thats a hollow victory.

China and tibet.?
Kaliningrad naval base - Lithuania.?
Palestine - Israel?

My Wifes parents lost everything - members of their families killed and missing, never seen again, fleeing their homes - persued and bombed...
No restitution after the end of the war no right of return on penalty of arrest, no claim on their property, no given a cash handout and a plot of land - exiled never to return. both died without ever getting anything back, although father in law was allowed to visit his brother after 40 years of seperation..
they didnt have any rights regarding their property or family.

With no solution nobody gets anything back and that includes both GCs and TCs. In other words by some lucky fortune here each side has something to give and take. This makes the Cyprus problem solvable or unsolvable, depending.

Where are you from?

[cymart]

My fathers family lost everything in Poland during and after World War Two (him and his mother were probably lucky to escape with their lives because they went to England before 1939) and other German friends of mine lost everything in Western Poland when Stalin decided to move the border after his armies had smashed their way across a number of countries in Eastern Europe!I also know a couple of other Germans here who originated from what was called the Sudetenland,which has been part of the Czech Republic since 1945....
Nobody has ever received any compensation and nobody expects to or even talks about it-you can also ask the Finns about Viipuri and eastern Karelia etc etc....
So when I hear this rather pathetic argument used by some pseudo-patriotic Cypriots about what is legally right and wrong in an effort to defend their no-compromise attitude,I think they are being very short-sighted about reality and geo-politics in the world.This kind of grand-standing has been used by far too many of their politicians who drive around in luxury limousines in an effort to deceive people and maintain the status-quo for far too long,and I wonder if anybody even listens to them any longer?Fortunately quite a number of prominent and respected people in the Greek-Cypriot establishment haver also begun airing similar views to me and this has been way over due here for a very long time!
Even Ghalanos,the mayor of Famagusta has finally admitted that people have been duped for far too long!Question is,what will be done about it?
As a foot note,the former inhabitants of the places mentioned above have been able to visit where they originated from for decades,rather like the Greek and Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus since 2003........
I think a very good article in todays Cyprus Mail by Gwynne Dwyer sums up the situation in Cyprus very well,sorry as I am to admit it.

[BOF]

They were my inlaws so where i come from has no bearing, but their experience is not a million miles away from what Cymart's post describes....

[Pyrpolizer]

My fathers family lost everything in Poland during and after World War Two (him and his mother were probably lucky to escape with their lives because they went to England before 1939) and other German friends of mine lost everything in Western Poland when Stalin decided to move the border after his armies had smashed their way across a number of countries in Eastern Europe!I also know a couple of other Germans here who originated from what was called the Sudetenland,which has been part of the Czech Republic since 1945....
Nobody has ever received any compensation and nobody expects to or even talks about it-you can also ask the Finns about Viipuri and eastern Karelia etc etc....
So when I hear this rather pathetic argument used by some pseudo-patriotic Cypriots about what is legally right and wrong in an effort to defend their no-compromise attitude,I think they are being very short-sighted about reality and geo-politics in the world.This kind of grand-standing has been used by far too many of their politicians who drive around in luxury limousines in an effort to deceive people and maintain the status-quo for far too long,and I wonder if anybody even listens to them any longer?Fortunately quite a number of prominent and respected people in the Greek-Cypriot establishment haver also begun airing similar views to me and this has been way over due here for a very long time!
Even Ghalanos,the mayor of Famagusta has finally admitted that people have been duped for far too long!Question is,what will be done about it?
As a foot note,the former inhabitants of the places mentioned above have been able to visit where they originated from for decades,rather like the Greek and Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus since 2003........
I think a very good article in todays Cyprus Mail by Gwynne Dwyer sums up the situation in Cyprus very well,sorry as I am to admit it.

You live in a democratic country my friend, just accept your fate that each of your generation will be losing everything, be happy about it considering it is the norm, switch TV or Radio channels every time you hear a politician, there you go-->no problem.

For the rest of us ANY solution must contain absolutely FULL return of all our properties. If that does not happen then we don't want a solution.
We are happy with both eventualities.

[Paphitis]

My fathers family lost everything in Poland during and after World War Two (him and his mother were probably lucky to escape with their lives because they went to England before 1939) and other German friends of mine lost everything in Western Poland when Stalin decided to move the border after his armies had smashed their way across a number of countries in Eastern Europe!I also know a couple of other Germans here who originated from what was called the Sudetenland,which has been part of the Czech Republic since 1945....
Nobody has ever received any compensation and nobody expects to or even talks about it-you can also ask the Finns about Viipuri and eastern Karelia etc etc....
So when I hear this rather pathetic argument used by some pseudo-patriotic Cypriots about what is legally right and wrong in an effort to defend their no-compromise attitude,I think they are being very short-sighted about reality and geo-politics in the world.This kind of grand-standing has been used by far too many of their politicians who drive around in luxury limousines in an effort to deceive people and maintain the status-quo for far too long,and I wonder if anybody even listens to them any longer?Fortunately quite a number of prominent and respected people in the Greek-Cypriot establishment haver also begun airing similar views to me and this has been way over due here for a very long time!
Even Ghalanos,the mayor of Famagusta has finally admitted that people have been duped for far too long!Question is,what will be done about it?
As a foot note,the former inhabitants of the places mentioned above have been able to visit where they originated from for decades,rather like the Greek and Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus since 2003........
I think a very good article in todays Cyprus Mail by Gwynne Dwyer sums up the situation in Cyprus very well,sorry as I am to admit it.

The Status Quo is far more preferable to the Annan Plan! It is really a no brainer, since the Annan Plan would mean that Cyprus would not even have an EEZ!!!! Where on earth....